Sisko leaving...what BS.

[Mr. Scott]

I love DS9. DS9 is the best series in all of Star Trek.

I hated the when Sisko left Kassidy and his unborn child. This makes me cry and I can't see it. This is the only thing that makes me tear up in Trek.

Whty Sisko, leave your wife and your child, to go away with the "prophets" in the end? I disliked the prophets. What annoyinbg bastards. " I am the Sisko" "I am of Bajor" schtick. In the 7 years of the series this species made no sense. I don't care if mom was a prophet, that was BS.

I know Avery Brooks was big about African American rights, and that he hated this storyline. He did not like the storyline. Neither would I. He should of stayed with his family. The story is too sad. The non-canoical end is that Kassidy gets Sisko's pension minus Jake's share. Jake would think of Kassidy and his half sister as family and they would of stayed together as family.

But I think an interesting non caniconal novel would be the daughter of Sisko and Kassidy being the Kai Supreme and not nessarily a good one. Newscasters on Earth chasing Jake about his half-sister being a religious leader, not to mention a break off group that considers himself a god for being the first son of the Sisko. Jake thinks that the cult of the prophets is garbage and he wants to rescue his father from the alien Prophet Cult.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Despite Hollywood's years of propaganda, not every ending is the happiest outcome.

Sisko made some hard choices. He involved the Prophets in what was very much a linear conflict which came at a cost. I can see where Brooks probably didn't care for that ending. But from a narrative standpoint it made the most sense.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Wasn't the initial plan by the writers for Sisko to die and the end, and Avery Brooks wanted it changed that he just went off to be with the Prophets for an indefinite amount of time or whatever?

 

[Jono]

Wasn't the initial plan by the writers for Sisko to die and the end, and Avery Brooks wanted it changed that he just went off to be with the Prophets for an indefinite amount of time or whatever?

The story I've heard is that it was originally that Sisko says goodbye to Kasidy forever and that was what Brook's had issues with. He felt it played too much to a black man leaving his wife and kids negative stereotype and they changed his line so he would say he would be back someday.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Of course, due to the non-linear nature of the prophets "celestial temple" - Sisko can return to Cassidy and Jake whenever he chooses. An eternity for him, a second on DS9.

 

[C.E. Evans]

For all intents and purposes, Sisko's sojourn with the Prophets may not have been very long. He might have been back for awhile by now, IMO...

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Sisko's sojourn with the Prophets may not have been very long.

Agree. Let's face it, who'd want to hang around the Celestial Temple for too long? An overexposed, saturated, bright white "room" with a loud "heartbeat" continually thumping away driving you bonkers. Add to that a bunch of transcendental "avatars" continually spouting enigmatic, ambiguous and cryptic sentences without telling you what they really mean. Man, that party would get old real quick!!!

 

[Therin of Andor]

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Unity_(novel)

 

[Deckerd]

I'm guessing the word 'novel' in that link means Trek lit.

 

[MikeS]

Despite Hollywood's years of propaganda, not every ending is the happiest outcome.

This.

Life isn't always about happy endings.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Sisko's sojourn with the Prophets may not have been very long.

Agree. Let's face it, who'd want to hang around the Celestial Temple for too long? An overexposed, saturated, bright white "room" with a loud "heartbeat" continually thumping away driving you bonkers. Add to that a bunch of transcendental "avatars" continually spouting enigmatic, ambiguous and cryptic sentences without telling you what they really mean. Man, that party would get old real quick!!!

Agreed. I don't think you can get that high, anyway.

At least I'm not the only one who has a problem with the whole "Prophets" and "We are of Bajor" nonsense. Anything that makes the Bajorans look like "the chosen people" gets on my nerves. Seriously, they're not speshul. They're just horribly annoying and self-righteous.

And Sisko going on a pleasue cruise with the wormhole aliens (and I recall it being a matter of interpretation whether they were "prophets" or not at the beginning of the show) was lame.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Given a choice of spending some time with the Prophets or death, I think the better option was chosen for the series finale.

If there is anything that might be considered lame, it was the need by the producers for Sisko to go away at all at the end of the series, IMO, but I think it would have robbed us of that final shot of Kira and Jake looking out the Promenade window--a Bajoran and a Federation citizen standing side-by-side--as the camera pulled away from the station...

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Sisko did return to his family in the Relaunch novels, didn't he?

 

[Jono]

^ Yes, in the novel Therin provided a link for above.

 

[Marie1]

Sisko did return to his family in the Relaunch novels, didn't he?

Heh, I liked that novel! "You picked the wrong planet."

But he knew he'd be back, and evidently felt that that brief absence was necessary, otherwise he would have argued with them- he'd argued with the WH aliens before- and won!

It's kinda nice at them, otherwise wouldn't he have died in the fire caves? To add insult to injury- with Dukat?? Blech...

 

[Navaros]

I agree with your OP, Mr. Scott. The Sisko abandoning his family is a bollocks storyline, and so is him talking to Yates instead of his own son. All of it makes no sense whatsoever, too. Along with the Dukat fubaring, that's another huge fubar of the series.

Despite Hollywood's years of propaganda, not every ending is the happiest outcome.

The problem isn't that it's unhappy. Rather, the problem is that it's a> stupid and b> makes no sense.

Of course, due to the non-linear nature of the prophets "celestial temple" - Sisko can return to Cassidy and Jake whenever he chooses. An eternity for him, a second on DS9.

Exactly, so then how does it make sense for him to abandon them for even one second. Why are they despairing that he abandoned them if he didn't, and he can come back at any second? Why doesn't he come back right at the moment since it's well within his power to do so, instead of even bothering to abandon them in the first place, and and instead of bothering to give them a talk telling them that he is going to abandon them for an indeterminate amount of time? All of that makes no sense any way ya slice it - that's why it's a terrible ending.

 

[InklingStar]

It makes perfect sense, and if the story ended any other way it would have been a massive cheat. Several times in outside material, the writers compare Sisko to Moses. If you know your Torah you know that Moses was chosen by God to lead the Israelites into the promised land. He was unwilling at first, and had to be pushed into the role. Several times throughout the adventure, Moses argued with God - and once he even won. Now look at Sisko: He's chosen for this role of the Emissary, against his will, and he has to be pushed into the role (See Destiny, Accession, and Rapture.) When he argues with the Prophets in Sacrifice of Angels, he wins - they destroy the Dominion fleet - but it comes at a price, a penance must be exacted.

Just as Moses led his people to the promised land but could not enter it himself, neither could Sisko continue after fulfilling the mission the Prophets chose him for. Had he done so, it would have robbed his story arc of its poignancy and sacrifice. Just like Frodo saved the Shire but could not remain in it, neither could Sisko simply settle down on Bajor like he wanted.

I thought the ending was beautiful, and it was also courageous for Star Trek, a show that so rarely takes real risks. (Although I agree he should have had a moment with Jake...)

 

[MikeS]

^Beautifully put.

 

[JonBaas]

Agreed.

-Jon

 

[Marie1]

Exactly, so then how does it make sense for him to abandon them for even one second. Why are they despairing that he abandoned them if he didn't, and he can come back at any second? Why doesn't he come back right at the moment since it's well within his power to do so, instead of even bothering to abandon them in the first place, and and instead of bothering to give them a talk telling them that he is going to abandon them for an indeterminate amount of time? All of that makes no sense any way ya slice it - that's why it's a terrible ending.

She had no qualms leaving him for weeks at a time, even when her life was in danger. Their relationship survived her time in jail.

Besides- he told her when he was going, he didn't disappear.

Just because you're a family doesn't mean that you're there every second, and that would be the case without this since they both had jobs on ships that took them away a lot.