Shouldn't the Xindi have been in the Coalition?

[Guy Gardener]

I love it that the kretessians were part of the final 5. I have no idea why the Coridans were used since they had their costume changed from when they were described as a puppet state to the Vulcan High command, which was a puppet state to the Romulans... and more importantly that Picard said Sarek facilitated their assimilation into the Federation and this was 8 years before that spud was born.

But, Archer spent a YEAR in Xindi space and saved them from being abused by a foreign power and reversed an unnatural ecological disaster in their entire region of space and Daniels said that the Xindi were apart of the Federation in the 25th century. It would have tied together the third seaon into the over all story a little more copaseticaly.

Would you have liked to have seen some Xindi in Demons and Terra Prime as "Good Guys" because lets face it they had some amends to make which was terra primes issue in part?

 

[Timo]

To be sure, the Xindi and the former Delphic Expanse were supposed to be out in the sticks as viewed from Earth. Why should these folks be part of a coalition gathered around Earth or Vulcan? They probably had other potential allies closer by, perhaps even folks interested in forming the Alliance of Denizens of the Area Formerly Known as Delphic Expanse (the acronym is really cool in Xindese).

But,

I love it that the kretessians were part of the final 5.

Huh? A guy looking like the Kreetassans may have been present at the negotiations, but I don't think we ever got any statement or group photo opportunity that would have told us who the Final 5 were (or that there in fact were just five founders).

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JoeZhang]

The other problem is that politically, I doubt enough time has passed for the people of earth to be comfortable with people who were going to commit genocide on them to be part of such an enterprise.

 

[Timo]

...Most of the Xindi might still not be convinced that Earth wasn't really out to kill them all, either. So they could see the Coalition as a hostile move, and withdraw even deeper into their shell.

(If they could. Dissolving the Expanse may have rendered many of the cultures within helpless to defend themselves, and conquest by their neighbors might swiftly follow.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[startrekwatcher]

Archer spent a YEAR in Xindi space and saved them from being abused by a foreign power and reversed an unnatural ecological disaster in their entire region of space and Daniels said that the Xindi were apart of the Federation in the 25th century. It would have tied together the third seaon into the over all story a little more copaseticaly.

The Xindi probably weren't asked because they had a lot of internal strife they had to work through and perhaps weren't ready to join up at that moment. I'd also point out that Daniels never said the Xindi were a part of the Federation in the 26th century only that there were Xindi serving aboard the ENT-J which as we know from Ro Laren and Nog that one's species does not need to be a member of the Federation in order to be part of Starfleet.

I'd also point out that even if the Xindi were a Federation member in the 26th century that doesn't necessarily mean that they were in on it from the beginning plus that future has been altered in any number of ways because Archer destroyed the sphere network halting the continued distorting of the Expanse that would have paved a way for the Sphere Builder battle we saw etc.

Would you have liked to have seen some Xindi in Demons and Terra Prime as "Good Guys" because lets face it they had some amends to make which was terra primes issue in part?

No I was happy with what we got. I enjoyed the Xindi arc but I much preferred that they would be contained to season three and let season four focus on more prequel appropriate and familiar TOS races.

 

[MattJC]

As much as I loved the Trek references in season4, I would have liked to have seen Enterprise return to some of it's own stories. A follow-up to the Xindi crisis would have been nice.

 

[bluedana]

I would think that at the point of Terra Prime, the Xindi were still trying to put their council back together. Remember, two of the species had broken off and betrayed the other three (or vice versa, depending on how you look at it). They had their own business to attend to.

 

[pookha]

the xindi were pretty far away.
before consideration for the xindi and other races of the former dephic expanse would be given there probably would have to come up with faster ships for regular contact to happen.
also has been pointed out i suspect for awhile there would be some strife and cultural upheaval among the xindi due to the fall out of the exposure of the sphere builders for what they were and of the roles of the reptillians and the insectoids in betraying the trust of the council and the xindi.

but i do wish we had seen a return to that part of space to follow up on some of the storylines.

were has it been said the coridans were puppets of the romulans.

 

[Sci]

I love it that the kretessians were part of the final 5. I have no idea why the Coridans were used since they had their costume changed from when they were described as a puppet state to the Vulcan High command, which was a puppet state to the Romulans... and more importantly that Picard said Sarek facilitated their assimilation into the Federation and this was 8 years before that spud was born.

1) There's no reason to think that just because the Coridanites were part of the initial negotations to form the Coalition of Planets that they must therefore have actually joined.

2) Even if they did join the Coalition, that's not the same thing as joining the Federation (which, of course, happened in TOS's "Journey to Babel").

3) The apparent disrepency between the Coridanites' makeup in "Shadows of P'Jem" and "Demons" is explained in the ENT novel The Good That Men Do as stemming from a cultural tradition of Coridanite diplomats wearing large, imposing-looking masks -- which made for a very effective metaphor about the use of deception in politics.

But, Archer spent a YEAR in Xindi space and saved them from being abused by a foreign power and reversed an unnatural ecological disaster in their entire region of space and Daniels said that the Xindi were apart of the Federation in the 25th century. It would have tied together the third seaon into the over all story a little more copaseticaly.

I think the implication is that Xindi space is still very, very far away, and, further, that the Xindi no longer want to interact with the outside universe just yet. Which is fine, I imagine, since it's hard to believe that anyone would really want to venture into the former Delphic Expanse just yet, anyway.

Which makes sense. North America was discovered by the Vikings almost a thousand years before Columbus "discovered" it; the fact that Archer went there doesn't mean that there's gonna be a lot of contact.

Would you have liked to have seen some Xindi in Demons and Terra Prime as "Good Guys" because lets face it they had some amends to make which was terra primes issue in part?

No. I think it's more realistic to imagine that the Xindi would have withdrawn from affairs in that region of the quadrant, and that the local powers would have wanted to continue to avoid the former Delphic Expanse.

 

[Trekwatcher]

The Xindi may have also been in political disarray after the events of S3. They were not very cohesive even when they felt they had a common enemy, and given the behavior of the Reptilians and the Insectoids, one could imagine that after the failure of the attack on earth via the superweapon that they descended into internal chaos. It could take them years to recover from that politically, if not longer.

 

[Guy Gardener]

were has it been said the coridans were puppets of the romulans.

Shadows of P'Jem said they were a puppet of the Vulcan High Council which was chaired by a Romulan. Everything that happened in the first three years has to be re-examined when you consider that it was the Romulans who were writing Vulcan Foreign Policy.

Imagine if Bush was secretly a North Korean National? Or Jimmy Carter had been an agent of the NKVD answering to the Kremlin?

The area known as the Delphic expanse was 6 months travel for a human vessel. Less for a Vulcan ship capable of impelling at 2 warp factors higher than Enterprise, and certainly for the Xindi with their Subspace apertures who could make the trip from their doorstep to earth orbit in a little over half a day.

That's an interesting technology you'd think most of the coalition would be interested in? Even though factions almost went to war a few years earlier just over the hint of Xindi Weapons technology becoming available locally.

 

[Timo]

I wonder... Do the Xindi jumpgates work without the backing up from the magic spheres of the Expanse? Or did the technology disappear when our heroes made the spheres go kaboom?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[pookha]

I wonder... Do the Xindi jumpgates work without the backing up from the magic spheres of the Expanse? Or did the technology disappear when our heroes made the spheres go kaboom?

Timo Saloniemi

the aquatics were able to take enterprise home but is possible as the spheres went away that tech might have been lost in time.

i always thought it might be interesting if the aquatics took the long way home since this would have been their first time out of the expanse.

 

[kipron]

"Final 5."