Should Enterprise visit Talos IV?

[ConRefit79]

We know Captain Pike commanded the Enterprise when they encountered the Talosians. The new timeline has Enterpise launching a decade late, in 2253 and Kirk taking command about a decade early. Should a movie show how Kirk and his crew would have defeated the Talosians?

 

[shapeshifter]

Story potential exists in this area but I doubt it will make it to the screen.

If the Nuverse Novel's engine ever fires up it could be covered there. I might even read it if the right author wrote it.

 

[T'Girl]

As I understand the nu-timeline, Pike and Spock visited Talos Four a year before Pike met Kirk in that bar.

 

[Peter the Younger]

It's an interesting question. The ship may have been launched a decade late, but Pike was still a captain, and was still working with at least one of the officers (Spock) seen in the original timeline. We could reasonably assume that Pike was given command of some other ship instead. So then you get into the minutia of Starfleet: did Pike have the same exploratory mission he did in the original timeline? Did his alternate universe vessel have the appropriate capabilities to fulfill the same role as the original Enterprise? Hell, something as simple as a difference in average cruising speed could make the difference; maybe Pike's ship won't be in the right place at the right time, and somebody else will end up exploring Talos.

 

[F. King Daniel]

T'Girl, I doubt Pike and Spock visited Talos IV, because the was no Enterprise. No Enterprise = no five-year mission. If they were on a different ship at the time, what makes you think they'd be assigned the same missions to the same planets? They've already had about 20 years of butterfly-effect cumulative changes to the timeline by then so all bets are off.

As for the OP, I'd rather writers came up with new stuff, or at the very least put a very different spin on it (like they'll do for Khan eventually). A scene-for-scene remake of any TOS episode would be Automatic Fail.

 

[M'Sharak]

We know Captain Pike commanded the Enterprise when they encountered the Talosians. The new timeline has Enterpise launching a decade late, in 2253 and Kirk taking command about a decade early. Should a movie show how Kirk and his crew would have defeated the Talosians?

In the movie, the Enterprise launched in 2258, while in the Prime timeline, Pike and crew are generally agreed to have visited Talos IV in 2254. What does that say about whether anyone has stopped at Talos IV at any time in the alternate timeline? Damned if I know - it seems pretty up in the air.

Should Enterprise revisit in this timeline a place and situation which we've already seen and on which more than three hours of episode time have already been spent in TOS? I can't see any reason the filmmakers would want to do that, nor is it something I particularly wish to see, given that there are only about four hours' running time available, between the two movies yet to come. Why not someplace new, some events or characters not yet seen, as opposed to (not very) boldly going where we've already been before?

 

[Sharr Khan]

Why not someplace new, some events or characters not yet seen, as opposed to (not very) boldly going where we've already been before?

Part of the appeal of an "alternate time line" is exploring things we already know. When it comes to a big screen adventure you take some of the more memorable things and do them really, really large.

That's why, sooner or later Khan will show up. They're not about to let nuKirk meet nunKhan in some ancillary material like a book or comic.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

I don't think they should revisit Talos with NuKirk in command of the Abramsprise. However, there's nothing saying that NuPike didn't already visit Talos prior taking command of the Abramsprise. It is entirely possible that the Abramsprise was the newest version of the Enterprise. Pike may have commanded a ship called "Enterprise" before the Abramsprise was completed. I know it is meant to be inferred that the Abramsprise is the first of its kind. But that fact is never established on screen. All NuPike says is that it is the maiden voyage of the Federation's newest flagship. So it is possible that NuPike has already been to talos. And it is also possible that NuSpock may have been with him considering that he holds the rank of Commander in the movie's timeline.

 

[ConRefit79]

Yes, it is unknown whether or not Talos has been visited in the new timeline. Even though it has been explored in TOS, it was Pike and not Kirk. Maybe they would take a different approach with Kirk. in the original Pilot, Pike was questioning if he wanted to continue to as Captain. The Talosians preyed on those thoughts. On the otherhand, Kirk is exactly where he wants to be. How would they try to seduce him?

 

[kkozoriz1]

According to Memory Alpha, the S.S.Columbia crashed on Talos IV in 2236, 3 years after Nero's arrival. It's possible that the Columbia never even crashed in the NuUniverse.

 

[DonIago]

It's an interesting idea, and could be handled in multiple ways, obviously.

The real problem might be that the Talosians lend themselves to more cerebral episodes, and I'm not sure that that would go over well in a big screen production. It could be a TMP-issue.

Also, when Pike met the Talosians he was world-weary and the idea of slipping into an imaginary world held some appeal for him. I can't see Kirk (or even NuPike) being in the same place, unless they make things far worse for Pike than they appear to be at the end of the film.

 

[kkozoriz1]

They tempt Kirk with Uhura, the only way he'll get her

 

[Timo]

T'Girl, I doubt Pike and Spock visited Talos IV, because the was no Enterprise. No Enterprise = no five-year mission. If they were on a different ship at the time, what makes you think they'd be assigned the same missions to the same planets?

Huh? The name of the starship affects her mission profile? Why? How?

If anything, Pike being in command of a radically differently built Enterprise would ensure that he'd never get the same sort of missions he would have if he commanded a ship built like the TOS one (regardless of the name written on her hull). Obviously, two ships of significantly different size and design would not be assigned the same tasks - but two ships of the same design but different names would. And nuStarfleet could well have built the Constitution class despite also building the Enterprise class later on.

Also, it doesn't sound likely that Pike was on a five-year mission of exploration when he went to Talos for the first time. He wasn't exploring anything as far as we know: he was returning from a failed mission to Rigel VII, and later Trek appears to establish that Rigel VII was a known quantity and not an exploration target. Pike showed no interest in exploring anything in the course of the episode, either.

We could well speculate that Lieutenant Pike (as evidenced by his cuff braid), in command of a smallish second-rate starship of Constitution class, was assigned a milk run to Rigel because Starfleet already suspected he would be a weak commander, easily giving up and succumbing to fruitless brooding. That Kirk Prime would achieve fame with the same diminutive ship would be all the more heroic, then. But again, it would be clear why Starfleet would combine a junior Captain and a small ship for the thankless mission of braving the galactic barrier: not because either of them was the best of the best, but because both were expendable.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[kkozoriz1]

In The Cage, the Enterprise encounters a distress call that leads them to Talos IV. If, in the NuUniverse, the Columbia never crashed then there's no distress call to lure the Enterprise. Of course, it could still happen the same way it did in the prime universe although it may have been a different Starfleet ship that responded or perhaps it has yet to happen. We just know that it's POSSIBLE that the Columbia isn't there now.

 

[T'Girl]

T'Girl, I doubt Pike and Spock visited Talos IV, because the was no Enterprise. No Enterprise = no five-year mission. If they were on a different ship at the time, what makes you think they'd be assigned the same missions to the same planets? They've already had about 20 years of butterfly-effect cumulative changes to the timeline by then so all bets are off.

KingDaniel, prime Spock intimated to nuKirk that the timelime might be making some kind of effort to "repair" itself, so Pike and Spock very well could have gone to Talos Four.

According the prime Spock, "All this has happen before Jim, and it will happen again!"

Pike being in command of a radically differently built Enterprise would ensure that he'd never get the same sort of missions he would have if he commanded a ship built like the TOS one (regardless of the name written on her hull).

It then possible that nuKirk won't get the some kind of missions, as he did while commanding the prime Enterprise. The prime Enterprise was a medium large "work horse" starship, the nuEnterprise is a very large Flagship starship. nuKirk will likely be assigned radically different missions.

nuStarfleet could well have built the Constitution class despite also building the Enterprise class later on.

I like to think they (Starfleet) did just that. The "actual" Enterprise was launched in the 2240's, but because of the Kelvin incident was given a different name and registration. But it's "physically" the same ship.

In The Cage, the Enterprise encounters a distress call that leads them to Talos IV. If, in the NuUniverse, the Columbia never crashed then there's no distress call to lure the Enterprise. Of course, it could still happen the same way it did in the prime universe although it may have been a different Starfleet ship that responded or perhaps it has yet to happen. We just know that it's POSSIBLE that the Columbia isn't there now.

But the wreakage of the Columbia wasn't what was actual sending the distress signal, the Talosians were. There probably wasn't even a real distress signal. After receiving the first distress signal, Pike wasn't going to go to Talos Four. But then a second signal "arrived" and gave the exact information necessary to have Pike change his mind. While the Columbia did crash on Talos Four, it wasn't necessary for it to have been physically present on Talos Four, for a signal to have been sent from it. Again the Talosians.

 

[DonIago]

Well, there still needs to have been a ship that disappeared in that area, at least. This isn't a major writing obstacle.

 

[kkozoriz1]

If there is no Columbia, there is no Vina on Talos. Things may work out in a similar fashion but it's possible that the Columbia did crash, that no ship did or that some other ship did.

 

[T'Girl]

it's possible that the Columbia did crash, that no ship did or that some other ship did.

(theme music to Twilight Zone)

 

[BillJ]

No. Absolutely not.

If they want to remake something let them hack away at The Alternative Factor or The Way to Eden.

 

[BillJ]

If there is no Columbia, there is no Vina on Talos. Things may work out in a similar fashion but it's possible that the Columbia did crash, that no ship did or that some other ship did.

Well... you have to have the girl. Vina's presence is what drives the entire story.