While reading William Shatner's books I wondered if I was the only one who would have wanted the Shatnerverse brought into the mainstream continuity? For the most part his first trilogy seems to be generally liked around here with with the two following trilogy's debatable. In the interest of full disclosure Captain Kirk is my favorite character tied with Spock, but would you have liked Kirk alive and kicking in the 24th century with the rest of the characters and popping into novels with the occasional adventure?
Shatnerverse compatability
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I dunno, he's kind of too awesome.
He'd probably marginalise everyone and beat them up. The only ones who can hang with him in the 24th are dead-for-now Data, and pre-spine-removal Sisko.
I don't really see the need for them to be in the mainstream continuity anyway. Better to pick and choose what to use.
He'd probably marginalise everyone and beat them up. The only ones who can hang with him in the 24th are dead-for-now Data, and pre-spine-removal Sisko.
I don't really see the need for them to be in the mainstream continuity anyway. Better to pick and choose what to use.
There have been some nods to the Shatner-verse in the main continuity, and vice-versa. In fact, the events of The Ashes of Eden were directly referred to in the novel-verse as recently as Cast No Shadow. However, for the most part, the Shatner-verse and novel-verse have too many incompatabilities (Janeway's fate, history of the Titan, the date of Bajor's admission to the Federation, ect) to have a shared continuity.
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What exactly was refered to in Cast No Shadow?
I vote we change Janeway's fate to that of the Shatnerverse instead then since she would still be in play. (had to go there though don't want this thread to turn into the "great Janeway debate pt 9,253,172) Was thinking more of the idea of Kirk still be around (though Zarkan makes a good point of his awesomeness overshadowing the times) maybe have mirror Janeway zipping around and explore Spock's mirror daughter T'val let her interact with her parents
Nonsense. Have you seen the shows all these Trek novels are based on? In the universe that allows "True Q" and "The Q and the Grey", "Minefield and "Balance of Terror", Voyager's slow warp speed vs. TOS' ultra-fast one etc. to co-exist, everything seperataing the Shatnerverse from the Destinyverse is extremely minor. In fact, other than Janeway's death (let's just bump the year of Captain's Glory back to 2380 and we're good), they're laughable and very easily ignored.
I'm sure we can just have a time-lost Janeway show up too.
I agree. When I read a date in a Trek Novel I don't break out the continuity guide to see if it fits, I just kind of nod and go: "Oh yeah, this must have happened around about then, then." Unless Kirk comes across Data or something similar, I haven't encountered any genuine discontinuities which discount the idea that Kirk's adventures couldn't happen in the same timeline as the primary novel continuity, other than the fact that characters don't run around going: "OMG did you hear what Kirk did?!?" which was basically how televised Trek handled the situation, as well. I mean, Picard saved the galaxy like a dozen times but you never had him come across a character who was like: "OMG you're the guy who has saved the galaxy a dozen times!"
I enjoyed the original trilogy thoroughly. The destruction of the A, the USS Monitor, Kirk's resurrection. Lots of great moments and great tales but these stories fit in poorly. The mirror universe novels started well but Preserver got wierd and ended stupidly. I got the impression Kirk's wife's death occurred due to Shatner's grief over his wife. After Preserver, I was done with these books.
As a series, or as the entire 9 book "mega arc", these books are fun and exciting IMO (although in a "wish-fulfillment" sort of way).
As for the individual books, I thought the original "trilogy" (as it consisted of 3 separate novels) was great, with the Mirror Universe trilogy topping it IMO due to it telling a meatier 3-part story (though the ending and Preserver as a whole was a bit underwhelming). The last Totality trilogy was very lackluster IMO
I'd rank the individual novels from top to bottom:
Avenger
Ashes of Eden
Spectre
The Return
Dark Victory
Preserver
Captain's Blood
Captain's Glory
Captain's Peril
As for the individual books, I thought the original "trilogy" (as it consisted of 3 separate novels) was great, with the Mirror Universe trilogy topping it IMO due to it telling a meatier 3-part story (though the ending and Preserver as a whole was a bit underwhelming). The last Totality trilogy was very lackluster IMO
I'd rank the individual novels from top to bottom:
Avenger
Ashes of Eden
Spectre
The Return
Dark Victory
Preserver
Captain's Blood
Captain's Glory
Captain's Peril
Yep. He has stated it in interviews. He had no intention of killing off Teilani in the books until his wife drowned.
NO! Kirk died in the Nexus, and DID NOT come back as Chuck Norris.
^Oh, he came back. But he's SO badass now that no-one outside of Shatner's own novels dares speak of his recent exploits.
James Kirk has never met the true undying badass.... Rory Williams!
The Borg tried to assimilate Rory once. He got better.
The Borg tried to assimilate Rory once. He got better.
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