SG-U – Divided (1x12) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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I never consider making topics for this sort, because someone else usually does. The episode is alright, but I find mutiny stories kind of lame, especially for the lame reasons that Wray is using. Unless of course, she's a government official?
I like TJs "You made this war, this is what we do" bit, showing how dumb they were to think they could outwit a trained military team, heh (Then again, maybe they still will, who knows). I also liked where James knocked that person on their ass, I mean, someone with a big gun says get down, and you try to rush them? Idiot. As much of a hothead Greer is, I also liked his responses.
Re: SG-U – Divided (1x12) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
That technique of showing the person who is occupying the body can be really disorienting sometimes.
This would be more interesting if the civilians weren't so weaselly. It could be more compelling if you felt like the civilians had a point but it's undermined by the fact that they are so unlikable.
That technique of showing the person who is occupying the body can be really disorienting sometimes.
This would be more interesting if the civilians weren't so weaselly. It could be more compelling if you felt like the civilians had a point but it's undermined by the fact that they are so unlikable.
Exactly, Wray has all these things to say but...she's not a great person, and it's pretty clear she just wants to be in charge, because...she just wants to be in charge. The other people (Civilians) are not much better either, several of the guys seem to have no real reason to go along other then the fact they don't like being told what to do, and that they can't do whatever they want (Despite the danger to other people).
I find it lame how divided it was, It was cool the military sided with Young, as opposed to some of them flip flopping (I hate that term, but...) as the stories tend to do. The civilians though...Chloe especially, I was just surprised by her.
I was here, and I usually do make the threads, but I'm just not interested in SGU as I was with SG-1 and Atlantis for some reason. I WANT to be, but so far it isn't grabbing me. I've been kind bored, and that long break mid season did not help matters. I'm still watching though, for the hope that I'll really really get into it, more needs to happen each episode though. Tonight's was good, but the whole mutiny thing is so cliche now in SCIFI.
^ I remember you did like the show in the beginning Brent.
Anyway...
- Nice opening with Chloe's dream.
- Mutiny may be old, but the episode itself had a lot going on and was a fun ride.
- Great to see the SG-1 doc back.
- I knew the stone connection would be broken and that Chloe would have to continue the operation.
Anyway...
- Nice opening with Chloe's dream.
- Mutiny may be old, but the episode itself had a lot going on and was a fun ride.
- Great to see the SG-1 doc back.
- I knew the stone connection would be broken and that Chloe would have to continue the operation.
8 Chevrons
It was a pretty good episode. I like how they dealt with the mutiny issue in this episode, and I'm glad it was resolved by the end instead of dragging it out over multiple episodes. Also, the surgery to take out Rush's tracking device was interesting and it was good use of the stones. Cool to see the alien ships again.
It was a pretty good episode. I like how they dealt with the mutiny issue in this episode, and I'm glad it was resolved by the end instead of dragging it out over multiple episodes. Also, the surgery to take out Rush's tracking device was interesting and it was good use of the stones. Cool to see the alien ships again.
I think the aliens are going to be in another episode as well, because if you remember the Season 1.5 trailer, it showed the aliens coming through the gate. They haven't come through the gate yet. Possibly they got the gate address from Rush's mind when he was in the tank.
I wasn't pleased. I'm the 3 Chevrons guy. I just didn't think the civilian crowd would be so monolithically opposed to the military. The military are the group with the best tools for survival, and they aren't behaving like a bunch of knuckle-dragging thugs. They have been upfront and honorable up until Young abandoned Rush (a move that I felt gutted Young as a commander).
Even if Rush told everyone what Young had done, I'd still expect more factions from the civilian crowd with a few looking to keep Wray out of power, since she's obviously so power-hungry and even less suited for command than Young.
Rush's remark about civilian control over the military is the only one that seemed reasonable, but I'd counter it by arguing their dire situation warrants something akin to martial law.
Even if Rush told everyone what Young had done, I'd still expect more factions from the civilian crowd with a few looking to keep Wray out of power, since she's obviously so power-hungry and even less suited for command than Young.
Rush's remark about civilian control over the military is the only one that seemed reasonable, but I'd counter it by arguing their dire situation warrants something akin to martial law.
Even then though, who's really capable of acting as a government, or trained/knowledgeable/experienced to? The only one that seems to be the closest is Chloe, and she clearly cannot be trusted and her father is obviously out of the question. As Psion said, it seems odd that everyone is against the military, unless they actually are the military. Some people make sense, Wray just wants to be in charge, and from what I can tell that's typical of the IOA, Rush wants them gone because Young wont let him do whatever he wants. The guy that got shot, I can see him being so pissed off because...well, he got shot (in Greer's defense, the dude did try to run through the gate with the remote).
As far as Rush and Young go, I give Young a little bit of credit, he seems to be able to admit he fucked up in doing what he did, as evidence by his admission to Wray.
Moving on though, I honestly wonder how it is they think they could have maintained control of the situation? They have all this to say, but then were more then willing to let the military personnel starve or dehydrate? Bah. Then there's TJ's line about how the Air Force is trained for war, and a mutiny is a form of war.
Rush and Wray proved a point tonight; they are not suitable commanders either. Even if Rush was right about the shields, they were not capable of handling the situation, they stood around going "OMG! What do we do?!" Bah.
Even if he's not the best person, I don't see an issue with Young being in charge, even if they don't have a 'martial law' situation going on (or if they did...), but the whole mutiny thing? Again, bah.
As far as Rush and Young go, I give Young a little bit of credit, he seems to be able to admit he fucked up in doing what he did, as evidence by his admission to Wray.
Moving on though, I honestly wonder how it is they think they could have maintained control of the situation? They have all this to say, but then were more then willing to let the military personnel starve or dehydrate? Bah. Then there's TJ's line about how the Air Force is trained for war, and a mutiny is a form of war.
Rush and Wray proved a point tonight; they are not suitable commanders either. Even if Rush was right about the shields, they were not capable of handling the situation, they stood around going "OMG! What do we do?!" Bah.
Even if he's not the best person, I don't see an issue with Young being in charge, even if they don't have a 'martial law' situation going on (or if they did...), but the whole mutiny thing? Again, bah.
Don't you just love they are talking about a "military dictatorship" while making plans to starve people out and cutting life support because they joined the Air Force.
Yeah, that's the kind of stuff I was saying, they were taking control away, locking them down with plans to starve/dehydrate them if they don't hand over the weapons and submit to their authority, Did they really expect people like Greer and James and perhaps even TJ to operate under lock and key with a gun to their head?
Guess I'll Godwin myself and say the SS wasn't military
I liked it. Good pacing, I like where the characters are going. I like that the Destiny has been fighting them off for a while, that explains some of the holes around the ship and other shuttle. The next "stones" reporting in should be interesting...
"He tried to frame me for murder!
"He left a man to die on a planet!"
"They tried to take over the ship!"
"I have to darn my own socks!!!"
"He tried to frame me for murder!
"He left a man to die on a planet!"
"They tried to take over the ship!"
"I have to darn my own socks!!!"
8 chevrons from me, I liked it.
I would have liked it even more if the civilian mutineers weren't made so unsympathetic. If we could understand them more, it would have produced a better dilemma.
But Wray(sp?) needs to have her comeuppance real soon. If she ever got any real power, her first reaction would be "Oh *^#%^! What do I do now???". Kill her off, please.
And have I mentioned how Greer is pretty much my favorite character?
I would have liked it even more if the civilian mutineers weren't made so unsympathetic. If we could understand them more, it would have produced a better dilemma.
But Wray(sp?) needs to have her comeuppance real soon. If she ever got any real power, her first reaction would be "Oh *^#%^! What do I do now???". Kill her off, please.
And have I mentioned how Greer is pretty much my favorite character?
Under all international treaties and conventions, it was an act of hijacking, since Rush and Wray wrested control of the ship from its lawful captain through force or threat of force. The maximum penalty depends on which legal jurisdiction is in charge. Under US law and the law of many non-EU countries (and most EU countries prior to 1998) they and their accomplices may be executed.
Wray's argument that the military personnel must put themselves under civilian authority is hogwash. The military on board is already under civilian authority, specifically the IOC, the US Congress, the President of the United States, and are subject to all the laws, regulations and treaties enacted by those civilian authorities.
The distance doesn't matter, nor does the poor communications. In the 18th and 19th centuries sailors would be halfway around the world, sailing through waters they'd never heard of and visiting places that weren't even on the map, traveling for a year or more without means of contacting anyone back home. Often part of the crew would be dispatched to sail a prize (captured vessel) back to a friendly port, putting a military crew in charge of a vessel that wasn't built in their home country. Yet nowhere in law could some of their civilian countrymen be able to overthrow the crew and take command. Anyone who tried to do so would stretch a rope, or worse.
Wray's argument that the military personnel must put themselves under civilian authority is hogwash. The military on board is already under civilian authority, specifically the IOC, the US Congress, the President of the United States, and are subject to all the laws, regulations and treaties enacted by those civilian authorities.
The distance doesn't matter, nor does the poor communications. In the 18th and 19th centuries sailors would be halfway around the world, sailing through waters they'd never heard of and visiting places that weren't even on the map, traveling for a year or more without means of contacting anyone back home. Often part of the crew would be dispatched to sail a prize (captured vessel) back to a friendly port, putting a military crew in charge of a vessel that wasn't built in their home country. Yet nowhere in law could some of their civilian countrymen be able to overthrow the crew and take command. Anyone who tried to do so would stretch a rope, or worse.
Yeah, but Wray and Rush obviously don't give a fuck about that sort, and obviously feel they are justified enough to do this. Besides, I get the impression it's Wray's/Rush's word against Young, and that Young's word barely holds any weight with O'Niell, and with everyone else they seem to want to listen to Wray/Rush, so...
But yes, for all intents and purposes, O'Neill did put Young in command, so it seems likely that irregardless of what he has done, they did commit a mutiny/hijacking type of situation, even more so they threaten physical harm to people.
Wray's argument may be hogwash (or a plot device may make her speaking the truth, who knows), but lets face it; as myself and others have pointed out, she's spewing shit to get power and command.
But yes, for all intents and purposes, O'Neill did put Young in command, so it seems likely that irregardless of what he has done, they did commit a mutiny/hijacking type of situation, even more so they threaten physical harm to people.
Wray's argument may be hogwash (or a plot device may make her speaking the truth, who knows), but lets face it; as myself and others have pointed out, she's spewing shit to get power and command.
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