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Warped9

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This isn't strictly a Trek centric subject although Trek can be heavily represented among tie-in reference books.

Recently there was a lot of discussion, and general disappointment, with the Haynes' U.S.S. Enterprise Operator's Manual (or whatever it was called). Generally a lot of folks thought it was poorly put together and essentially a shallow rehash of previous work with little fresh to recommend it.

So here we could discuss previously released books we've liked (or not) and why, and they needn't necessarily be Trek oriented works. We could also cover what we like to see and don't like to see in such books. We could also cover books we'd like to see done.


Recently I purchased a non Trek reference book called Lost In Space: Jupiter 2 Technical Guide. While one might quibble over the overall result it's quite apparent that this book was a labour of genuine interest and devotion.

Recently I received the new release of a reference book to another television series. It is the Lost In Space: Jupiter 2 Technical Guide.

Although some might scoff at mentioning LIS in comparison to Star Trek here is what I thought of the book:


Having just finished going through the book I quite like it overall.

I'm impressed with the technical background and explanations. Granted you can see some of this has been retconned with a current understanding of sciences over what was known back in the '60s, but it doesn't seem to contradict or invalidate what was shown onscreen. Indeed I quite like this approach of using genuine science and plausible theory to make the show's science and technology more credible. I didn't get much sense of handwavium while reading the text. Overall this is the kind of thinking I'd like to have seen applied to some of the Trek reference guides I've seen and in this respect this LIS book and its companion(s) impress me as better than the Trek related counterparts.

In terms of images I found this book to be a mixed bag. I really liked the schematics although I felt there could have been more. I would like to have seen schematics of the Chariot, the Space Pod and the B9 Robot, but in fairness this is a reference book and not a set of general plans. I liked the use of actual photographs along with plan drawings in conjunction with the technical exposition detailing each aspect of the Jupiter 2. Candidly, though, I did not care for the 3D animation images and for me they looked out of place in an otherwise excellent book.

For the material contained in this book it is very fairly priced and well worth the purchase for anyone interested in science fiction speculative science and technology as well as fans of the Lost In Space television series. I also think it is a far superior work compared to the recent Haynes' Trek reference book.

The quality of this book is a reflection of genuine interest and fan devotion as opposed to just cranking out tie-in merchandise.

If curious then go here:
Jupiter 2 Technical Guide
Lost In Space Design


In years past I've collected quite a few reference books (Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5). In truth they all left a bit something to be desired, but the best ones conveyed the impression that the creators really gave a damn about the subject matter and the fans who would be interested in these works.

Anyone else?
 
The Star Wars ones i've read and own seem to really cater to the Fans alot but last Official Star Trek one to do the same IMHO was the Star Trek DS9 Tech manual. Fandom Trek books seem to alot better work official stuff i think Like Jackill's books or the Concordance or Ships of the Starfleet books from Todd Gunther and Starship Dynamics which is like a TMP era Tech Manual. The Haydens book now was ok in terms of the Story of the Enteprise B and C everything else i could get from the nets :)
 
I have the Haynes manual, a gift from my sister, and it's ok. It's nothing new, but it is a lot of stuff in one place. Also, it's a Haynes manual and as someone who used to do his own repairs I have a certain affection for those manuals.

One of the best for back story was the Colonial Marines tech manual, which of course contained info from the first couple of Aliens movies. They change hands on Ebay for a good few quid these days, quite sought after by fans. Not a massive amount of photos or very detailed diagrams, but a lot of background writing that made interesting reading.
 
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Aside from the TNG and DSN technical manuals, most of my favorites have been fan-produced: the two Ships of the Star Fleet books, the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual, the Federation Reference Series, and such. Much prefer Bantam's Star Trek Maps to the later Star Trek Star Charts.

The last couple of "official" books (Starship Spotter, the Haynes Enterprise book) seem to be rushed and incomplete at best. Pocket talked awhile about a book called Unseen Frontier which would have featured new images from the history of the ST universe, and instead we got Ships of the Line which just republished images from the calendars

Would love to see ST couterparts to the excellent Star Wars Complete Cross Sections and Complete Locations, which feature amazing cutaway artwork that far surpasses most of what we've seen in ST publications.
 
Aside from the TNG and DSN technical manuals, most of my favorites have been fan-produced: the two Ships of the Star Fleet books, the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual, the Federation Reference Series, and such. Much prefer Bantam's Star Trek Maps to the later Star Trek Star Charts.

The last couple of "official" books (Starship Spotter, the Haynes Enterprise book) seem to be rushed and incomplete at best. Pocket talked awhile about a book called Unseen Frontier which would have featured new images from the history of the ST universe, and instead we got Ships of the Line which just republished images from the calendars

Would love to see ST couterparts to the excellent Star Wars Complete Cross Sections and Complete Locations, which feature amazing cutaway artwork that far surpasses most of what we've seen in ST publications.

Just how good is that the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual ? I keep thinking about getting it but im worried i might not like it cus its only about just 1 ship unless theres pics of other ships in it.
 
Aside from the TNG and DSN technical manuals, most of my favorites have been fan-produced: the two Ships of the Star Fleet books, the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual, the Federation Reference Series, and such. Much prefer Bantam's Star Trek Maps to the later Star Trek Star Charts.

The last couple of "official" books (Starship Spotter, the Haynes Enterprise book) seem to be rushed and incomplete at best. Pocket talked awhile about a book called Unseen Frontier which would have featured new images from the history of the ST universe, and instead we got Ships of the Line which just republished images from the calendars

Would love to see ST couterparts to the excellent Star Wars Complete Cross Sections and Complete Locations, which feature amazing cutaway artwork that far surpasses most of what we've seen in ST publications.

Just how good is that the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual ? I keep thinking about getting it but im worried i might not like it cus its only about just 1 ship unless theres pics of other ships in it.

It is only about one ship, but goes into some pretty-well thought out detail. It builds off off the tech established in the Sternbach/Okuda TNG Technical Manual, and expands into detailing a Federation/Klingon joint-designed starship. It's not as slick as the Ships of the Star Fleet books (the gold-standard of fan published Trek-Tech), but it is still a fine effort. IMO. YMMV.
 
Just how good is that the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual ? I keep thinking about getting it but im worried i might not like it cus its only about just 1 ship unless theres pics of other ships in it.



There was a copy of it at a used book store by my house and I thumbed through it quite a bit, but I gotta say, I wasn't impressed. I didn't buy it. It was pretty much about the one ship and it seemed like a knock off of the TNG TM.

--Alex
 
This isn't strictly a Trek centric subject although Trek can be heavily represented among tie-in reference books.

Recently there was a lot of discussion, and general disappointment, with the Haynes' U.S.S. Enterprise Operator's Manual (or whatever it was called). Generally a lot of folks thought it was poorly put together and essentially a shallow rehash of previous work with little fresh to recommend it.

So here we could discuss previously released books we've liked (or not) and why, and they needn't necessarily be Trek oriented works. We could also cover what we like to see and don't like to see in such books. We could also cover books we'd like to see done.


Recently I purchased a non Trek reference book called Lost In Space: Jupiter 2 Technical Guide. While one might quibble over the overall result it's quite apparent that this book was a labour of genuine interest and devotion.

Recently I received the new release of a reference book to another television series. It is the Lost In Space: Jupiter 2 Technical Guide.

Although some might scoff at mentioning LIS in comparison to Star Trek here is what I thought of the book:


Having just finished going through the book I quite like it overall.

I'm impressed with the technical background and explanations. Granted you can see some of this has been retconned with a current understanding of sciences over what was known back in the '60s, but it doesn't seem to contradict or invalidate what was shown onscreen. Indeed I quite like this approach of using genuine science and plausible theory to make the show's science and technology more credible. I didn't get much sense of handwavium while reading the text. Overall this is the kind of thinking I'd like to have seen applied to some of the Trek reference guides I've seen and in this respect this LIS book and its companion(s) impress me as better than the Trek related counterparts.

In terms of images I found this book to be a mixed bag. I really liked the schematics although I felt there could have been more. I would like to have seen schematics of the Chariot, the Space Pod and the B9 Robot, but in fairness this is a reference book and not a set of general plans. I liked the use of actual photographs along with plan drawings in conjunction with the technical exposition detailing each aspect of the Jupiter 2. Candidly, though, I did not care for the 3D animation images and for me they looked out of place in an otherwise excellent book.

For the material contained in this book it is very fairly priced and well worth the purchase for anyone interested in science fiction speculative science and technology as well as fans of the Lost In Space television series. I also think it is a far superior work compared to the recent Haynes' Trek reference book.

The quality of this book is a reflection of genuine interest and fan devotion as opposed to just cranking out tie-in merchandise.


If curious then go here:
Jupiter 2 Technical Guide
Lost In Space Design


In years past I've collected quite a few reference books (Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5). In truth they all left a bit something to be desired, but the best ones conveyed the impression that the creators really gave a damn about the subject matter and the fans who would be interested in these works.

Anyone else?

I would have to add to the top of this list - for me - is "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise" by Shane Johnson. I know that it's been dinged for accuracy and some historical points that were changed after the fact (none of which are his fault).

He DID care about the world he was contributing to, and it did show in the end result. I was nothing but impressed by it, and to me, it represents a high-water mark for fan-created Trek reference work.
 
^^ Mr. Scott's Guide To The U.S.S. Enterprise (I have a copy) was one of the better ones for the very reasons you state.
 
Aside from the TNG and DSN technical manuals, most of my favorites have been fan-produced: the two Ships of the Star Fleet books, the USS Khai Tam Technical Orientation Manual, the Federation Reference Series, and such. Much prefer Bantam's Star Trek Maps to the later Star Trek Star Charts.

The last couple of "official" books (Starship Spotter, the Haynes Enterprise book) seem to be rushed and incomplete at best. Pocket talked awhile about a book called Unseen Frontier which would have featured new images from the history of the ST universe, and instead we got Ships of the Line which just republished images from the calendars

Would love to see ST couterparts to the excellent Star Wars Complete Cross Sections and Complete Locations, which feature amazing cutaway artwork that far surpasses most of what we've seen in ST publications.

I haven't seen the Haynes book ,so I can't comment on it, but I bought the Starship Spotter based on the shared conceit that it was time for a book about starships that had a damn picture of a starship on every page! LOL

I did leave me wanting more. I don't think I would call it imcomplete, though.
 
^^ Mr. Scott's Guide To The U.S.S. Enterprise (I have a copy) was one of the better ones for the very reasons you state.

I've seen some follow-up colored schematics he's been working on more recently that have me really impressed again. Think a four-color version of Mr. Scott's Guide done to the level of deck plans as FJ's E-nil schematics.

Amazing so far.
 
The Star Wars ones i've read and own seem to really cater to the Fans alot but last Official Star Trek one to do the same IMHO was the Star Trek DS9 Tech manual. Fandom Trek books seem to alot better work official stuff i think Like Jackill's books or the Concordance or Ships of the Starfleet books from Todd Gunther and Starship Dynamics which is like a TMP era Tech Manual. The Haydens book now was ok in terms of the Story of the Enteprise B and C everything else i could get from the nets :)

Yeah, there are a lot of Star Wars art books, but not so much schematics like we get in Trek. Maybe one day I'll tackle the Millenium Falcon again....hmmmm...hyperdrive motivators...drool
 
thanks for the tips people :)

and Yep i own a copy of the Scotts guide its pretty good cept for the wrong year numbers but i just change those in my head when i read it. :)
 
I have to say canon and continuity particularly in terms of dates aren't something I'm hung up on in these reference books. I'm more interested in quality of work (art) and some of the technical thinking behind them.

While FJ's Technical Manual has long been outdated in terms of continuity I still like the book overall for the sheer scope of it. It covered so much ground for what was then a very thinly covered area of interest for some fans. I daresay it was probably the first major publication after his Booklet Of General Plans. And both of those works served as a template for a lot of later work, both fan and "official," for a long time afterward.
 
I have to say canon and continuity particularly in terms of dates aren't something I'm hung up on in these reference books. I'm more interested in quality of work (art) and some of the technical thinking behind them.

While FJ's Technical Manual has long been outdated in terms of continuity I still like the book overall for the sheer scope of it. It covered so much ground for what was then a very thinly covered area of interest for some fans. I daresay it was probably the first major publication after his Booklet Of General Plans. And both of those works served as a template for a lot of later work, both fan and "official," for a long time afterward.

And in terms of that, FJ had an advantage that none of us have - he did it first.

Now, subconsciously or not, any of us attempting our version has that in our mind, and it certainly informs our take, making it much more difficult to do it in a truly original fashion.

Just like Shane Johnson's work would inform our attempt at general plans for the Enterprise-A.
 
While I have a few minor quibbles (well, two...), the tops in my book is, and will always remain, Ships of the Star Fleet (Volumes 1 and 2). My quibbles are the lack of a deeper backstory on some of the ships (understandable, it was a tech manual, not a history book, but what we got teased too much!) and a sleight to my favorite ship (there was supposed to be, according to the Tech Manual, a USS Constellation II NCC-1728 as I recall, but SotSF dumped it. BOOO!)

All kidding aside, I judge all work by that standard.

Jackill's Guides were very hit and miss with me. I found a few designs I loved (the Abbe class is inspired) but many (most?) were insipid.

Rob+
 
Recently I purchased a non Trek reference book called Lost In Space: Jupiter 2 Technical Guide. While one might quibble over the overall result it's quite apparent that this book was a labour of genuine interest and devotion.

I'm impressed with the technical background and explanations. Granted you can see some of this has been retconned with a current understanding of sciences over what was known back in the '60s, but it doesn't seem to contradict or invalidate what was shown onscreen. Indeed I quite like this approach of using genuine science and plausible theory to make the show's science and technology more credible. I didn't get much sense of handwavium while reading the text. Overall this is the kind of thinking I'd like to have seen applied to some of the Trek reference guides I've seen and in this respect this LIS book and its companion(s) impress me as better than the Trek related counterparts.

In terms of images I found this book to be a mixed bag. I really liked the schematics although I felt there could have been more. I would like to have seen schematics of the Chariot, the Space Pod and the B9 Robot, but in fairness this is a reference book and not a set of general plans. I liked the use of actual photographs along with plan drawings in conjunction with the technical exposition detailing each aspect of the Jupiter 2. Candidly, though, I did not care for the 3D animation images and for me they looked out of place in an otherwise excellent book.

For the material contained in this book it is very fairly priced and well worth the purchase for anyone interested in science fiction speculative science and technology as well as fans of the Lost In Space television series. I also think it is a far superior work compared to the recent Haynes' Trek reference book.

The quality of this book is a reflection of genuine interest and fan devotion as opposed to just cranking out tie-in merchandise.

If curious then go here:
Jupiter 2 Technical Guide
Lost In Space Design

I also recently purchased and received both of these LOST IN SPACE books. I absolutely agree with your review of the Technical Guide book.:techman:
 
While I have a few minor quibbles (well, two...), the tops in my book is, and will always remain, Ships of the Star Fleet (Volumes 1 and 2). My quibbles are the lack of a deeper backstory on some of the ships (understandable, it was a tech manual, not a history book, but what we got teased too much!) and a sleight to my favorite ship (there was supposed to be, according to the Tech Manual, a USS Constellation II NCC-1728 as I recall, but SotSF dumped it. BOOO!)

All kidding aside, I judge all work by that standard.

Jackill's Guides were very hit and miss with me. I found a few designs I loved (the Abbe class is inspired) but many (most?) were insipid.

Rob+

Have you read the Manga Startrekker?

Its all about the Constellation II in 2286 :)
 
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