Section 31
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All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats. 
Perhaps they could be used in any spin-off fiction, but as a film villain they arent the best choice. The average film go-er has no idea who the feth Section 31 are, so half the film would have to be spent explaining who they were and what they do. With species like the Klingons and Romulans, the average joe knows that they are the bad guys, even if they have never watched a full episode of Star Trek, they have become ingrained in Pop Culture. As have the Borg.
And then that would open up the can of worms again, with Canon arguments flying back and forth quicker than lens flares, as we debate which Section 31 is the proper version.
If they want to do Evil Humans, it would be easier to start from scratch. Leave Section 31 to the books, where they can be done justice.
Well, Abrams & co have repeatedly said that they aim to present an optimistic future, one of success, prosperity and cooperation among many species.
I doubt Section 31 really fits into this kind of vision for the Federation
And besides, I really hope we move on and see some new never before seen stuff in the sequels.
I doubt Section 31 really fits into this kind of vision for the Federation
And besides, I really hope we move on and see some new never before seen stuff in the sequels.
Depends on the nature of the story they do for the sequel. If you have a need for a secret organzation within Starfleet then you might as well use Section 31 since it is a term we fans are familiar with and it's not like casual fans we get the reference or be turned off by it.
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I wanna see Section 32. 
Na but seriously, I do think they would actually make perfect villains for a sequel and Kirk and co actually bring down Section 31, something Bashir and co never managed.
The storyline potential is immense. Section 31 might get wind about old Spock and capture him to extract information about possible future events and threats which is when Kirk and crew come into it.
Perhaps Section 31 after learning about Nero taking out 45 Klingon ships is trying to provoke a war between the Romulans and Klingons and Kirk and co with their moral superiority get wind of it and try to stop them.
On another note however I wanna see something different. So perhaps Section 31 could be saved for a much later date.
Na but seriously, I do think they would actually make perfect villains for a sequel and Kirk and co actually bring down Section 31, something Bashir and co never managed.
The storyline potential is immense. Section 31 might get wind about old Spock and capture him to extract information about possible future events and threats which is when Kirk and crew come into it.
Perhaps Section 31 after learning about Nero taking out 45 Klingon ships is trying to provoke a war between the Romulans and Klingons and Kirk and co with their moral superiority get wind of it and try to stop them.
On another note however I wanna see something different. So perhaps Section 31 could be saved for a much later date.
All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats.
And as we see from the last eight years, we have Neocons.
Even if you don't use the term "Section 31" you would still need to explain to the audience through the plot somehow why the villian they do use is doing what he/she is doing in the same way they had to explain Nero's backstory or Khan's backstory had to be explained. Explaining Section 31 wouldn't be any more harder to explaining any other villian you pick. Plus the casual fans can pick up quickly on the idea of a dirty government agency. Everyone is familiar with these type of branches whether it is the KJB,CIA etc. If anything I think it would be easier to explain Section 31 than it would be to explain a new alien species.
With that said I don't think there is a pressing need to use Section 31 unless you have a need for a CIA,KJB type of group for your story to work and if you need that then you might as well go with the term that Trek fans will be familiar with because otherwise it means Starfleet has 2 corrupt secret agencies and that seems to stretch credibility to me. You could get by with Starfleet Intelligence though as a term if you want. I think you would need to choose between those two groups.
Jason
Best left for TNZ, I should think (I'm not trying to usurp the mods in here, just don't want to see a thread closed needlessly).All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats.
And as we see from the last eight years, we have Neocons.
Yeah that's pretty much what they did....glad you caught on to that.
Just keep Section 31 out of it. I love S31, but it did my head in a bit that they were credited with everything that went on in the Federation that was slightly dodgy - TUC, Pegasus etc. They're out there, don't worry about that.
If they ever get round to doing a nuTrek series, then I wouldn't mind seeing one or two S31 episodes but thats it. They're a secret organisation that wasn't discovered until DS9, they should stay secret.
If they ever get round to doing a nuTrek series, then I wouldn't mind seeing one or two S31 episodes but thats it. They're a secret organisation that wasn't discovered until DS9, they should stay secret.
I'd prefer it if they leave the spin-off elements strictly for the spin-offs and cull material only from Star Trek.
Agreed. I'm not idealistic enough to believe that they wouldn't exist in some form, but I'd rather not go there in the Kirk era.
All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats.
You mean Republicans. Cheney you evil bastard.
DAAAADDYYYY!!!! THERE FIGHTING AGAIN!!!! MAKE THEM STOP!!!!!All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats.
You mean Republicans. Cheney you evil bastard.
What is wrong in using familiar elements though if they fit with the nature of the story they are going to do? I guess I am asking is if they want a secret Starfleet group in the new movie why avoid Section 31 and invent A new secret organzation that is just like Section 31. Section 31 means nothing to casual fans but having the secret organziation involved would be something that Trek fans would enjoy, since it would be in essence a nod to canon.
I agree that they shouldn't sit around going "How can we shoehorn Section 31" in this story. If it makes logical sense though to use Section 31 then I see no reason to avoid it. It's kind of like having Prime Spock stranded on a world we Trek fans are familiar with. They could have invented any name for the planet. Is see no reason though in not pulling up a name from canon and using it. That is how Section 31 would be included as well or should be included. Nothing wrong in using familiar Trek elements, just as long as it doesn't hurt the emotional core of the story.
Jason
Best left for TNZ, I should think (I'm not trying to usurp the mods in here, just don't want to see a thread closed needlessly).All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats.
And as we see from the last eight years, we have Neocons.
Ovation is quite correct. Unless some story element touches upon it directly (and since we're talking about proposed sequel ideas here and not a finished movie, such is clearly not the case) I'd like to see partisan politics left alone here. We have another forum more appropriate for those topics.All govts have a dark side. In America we have democrats.
You mean Republicans. Cheney you evil bastard.
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