Garm Bel Iblis
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Can't get through it, tried again, get as far as the meeting on Chiaros IV and the death of Tabor and it just loses me. What happens in this clunker of a novel?
Section 31: Rogue
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Don't remember a thing about it even though I read it.
Garm Bel Iblis
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That does not bode well. Frankly, the S31 thing has been beat into the ground so much, I don't even have a need to see it anymore.
Honestly, the only thing I remember is the framing story where Picard is going to inform Hawk's parents of his death, and he flashes back to Section 31 trying to recruit Hawk.
There's...a scene in which Hawk reports that 31 noted to him that Picard himself had often bent and broken the rules to do what is necessary. Picard is stunned silent...but just when he's about to begrudgingly accept that maybe 31 could possibly have a point--Hawk conveniently cleans it up with the standard Nothing Can Justify Going Against Our Values....
The usual.
The usual.
Garm Bel Iblis
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Like corrupting the Mintakans and getting involved installing a Klingon leaderthat would eventually make war on the Federation so save lives in the short term but almost cost the Federation the war with the Dominion because they were so weakened by war with the Klingons.
Plus if Picard ever goes too far off the reservation and does more harm than good Starfleet can courtmartial him. If Section 31 does that NOTHING hapens to them because they have no oversight.
Garm Bel Iblis
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S31 can murder presidents ( I still got a big problem with those 2 books)
Any organised group, or even one wacky individual, can murder a president and be convinced they've done the right thing. Isn't that the point?
I enjoyed "Rogue" very much. It, and the DS9 "Section 31" novel with Bashir, kept me turning pages! The concept of secret groups with hidden agendas is uncomfortable, but we know they're out there.
But usually they don't get away with it.
I remember quite liking Rogue. I remember a lot of other people liking it at the time, too, aside from some right wing homophobes.
I read this a while back, and can remember thinking that I was fine with how it was written, and thought that the characters were mostly well done. HOWEVER: S31 really came across in this novel as not much more than naive pawns. Even when speaking in their defence, all Zweller has to say on what S31 had done for the Federation is mention that S31 had blocked the warp-capabilities of some pre-warp potential enemies. You can compare this with S31 as it appears in DS9, or even as it appears in the previous S31 novel, "Cloak", in which S31 is perceived as an overarching puppet master.
Edit: @Steve Roby: I'm sure what you mean is that homophobes instinctively dislike this novel, and NOT that anyone who dislikes this novel is a homophobe.
Edit: @Steve Roby: I'm sure what you mean is that homophobes instinctively dislike this novel, and NOT that anyone who dislikes this novel is a homophobe.
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Was Ranul Keru introduced in this book?
There are certainly other reasons to dislike a book. But a lot of the people who loudly expressed their dislike for the book made it pretty clear that it wasn't the plot or the prose that they didn't like.
If you mean, "Is this the first time he appears in TrekLit?" then I don't know. But he IS in this novel - notably he is/was Hawk's lover. Keru and Picard have a heart-to-heart at the novel's end.
Kinda off topic, but apropos homosexuality and ST: I thought it was a shame that the latest movie didn't include any homosexual characters. For example the main romance (in this case Spock/Uhura) could have been replaced by a homosexual one (e.g. Spock/other). The only reason I feel so is because homosexuality is a theme ST has never openly dealt with and/or embraced.
I remember quite liking this novel, as Section 31 is one of my favorite aspects of modern Trek.
as for Keru and Hawk, I didn't see the romance as any different from a male/female relationship, so I mainly saw this as a B-plot..
...with that in mind, I was happy to see Keru back in Titan
as for Keru and Hawk, I didn't see the romance as any different from a male/female relationship, so I mainly saw this as a B-plot..
...with that in mind, I was happy to see Keru back in Titan
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