News Season 2 will be the last (show cancelled)

[Firebird]

I probably phrased it badly. When you do this type of storytelling, people are looking for connections between them and an overarching narrative that contains them all. There is no narrative thread that binds them together. I can watch one without any narrative desire to see what the rest offer.

To some degree, I’m grateful for that. The universe has gotten progressively smaller and smaller as the writers force the franchise to eat its own tail, so I’m glad we’re getting series that tell their own stories where they can as opposed to constantly being in service of some greater story.

 

[BillJ]

To some degree, I’m grateful for that. The universe has gotten progressively smaller and smaller as the writers force the franchise to eat its own tail, so I’m glad we’re getting series that tell their own stories where they can as opposed to constantly being in service of some greater story.

I think that's where fandom desires and the mass market collide and we end up losing as Trek fans. I understand where you're coming from, just that the series without connection to a greater narrative doesn't seem to be drawing the mass market in.

Where that leaves Trek? Who the fuck knows.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Yeah this is why I'm probably not going to check in with whatever comes next for trek. The fanbase is too full of toxic weirdos who don't genuinely understand the show they claim to love.

This is where I'm at. I'll finish watching what's done but then I'm probably going to say fare-thee-well to whatever comes next for Star Trek. Being a fan used to be fun.

 

[Turtletrekker]

For me, it just feels like that entire era has been done to death.

To death and beyond. Beating the corpse of the poor thing isn't going to bring it back.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah this is why I'm probably not going to check in with whatever comes next for trek. The fanbase is too full of toxic weirdos who don't genuinely understand the show they claim to love.

This is where I'm at. I'll finish watching what's done but then I'm probably going to save fare thee well to whatever comes next for Star Trek. Being a fan used to be fun.

This seems odd to me. You can watch the shows and not interact with fandom, at all. That was literally my first thirty years as a Trek fan.

 

[HotRod]

Yep, there's so much more that could be explored in either the 22nd century or the early 24th. I'm just so very over the TNG era.

 

[BillJ]

Yep, there's so much more that could be explored in either the 22nd century or the early 24th. I'm just so very over the TNG era.

My preference for the next Star Trek is to throw it a thousand years in the future and really shake things up. If the goal is to keep everything in supposedly one timeline, it is really the only place they can go and retool Trek for modern audiences.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

This seems odd to me. You can watch the shows and not interact with fandom, at all. That was literally my first thirty years as a Trek fan.

Yeah, it's not great if you're into the social side of being a fan to cut yourself off from that, but there is nothing stopping people from just watching the episodes in blissful ignorance about what everyone else feels about them.

Blocking channels on YouTube has helped me tune out the voices I don't want to hear.

My preference for the next Star Trek is to throw it a thousand years in the future and really shake things up. If the goal is to keep everything in supposedly one timeline, it is really the only place they can go and retool Trek for modern audiences.

That's pretty much literally what they did with Disco and SFA though.

 

[HotRod]

My preference for the next Star Trek is to throw it a thousand years in the future and really shake things up. If the goal is to keep everything in supposedly one timeline, it is really the only place they can go and retool Trek for modern audiences.

Isn't that kinda what they tried with Discovery, with decidedly mixed results?

 

[BillJ]

Blocking channels on YouTube has helped me tune out the voices I don't want to hear.

Largely, I keep my Trek interactions solely to this board. You guys know me and I know you guys. A group that has grown together over the course of decades.

 

[BillJ]

Isn't that kinda what they tried with Discovery, with decidedly mixed results?

Much like Voyager, they ditched it pretty quick and went back to the status quo. Eventually, they are actually going to have to shake Trek up and follow through with it.

 

[Farscape One]

Yep, there's so much more that could be explored in either the 22nd century or the early 24th. I'm just so very over the TNG era.

Blasphemy! We still don't know the fate of Oliana from "Coming Of Age".

A series must come!

 

[BillJ]

That's pretty much literally what they did with Disco and SFA though.

Except it looks, feels and smells like the 24th century.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Second year cadets get field duty. Nog on DS9, and Sisko said he remembered field duty on a starbase in his sophomore year.

And maybe we will see what is already in the can for Season Two.

I was giving a way out for restarting the series from Season Three without any of the previous SFA sets.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

This seems odd to me. You can watch the shows and not interact with fandom, at all. That was literally my first thirty years as a Trek fan.

I'm not much of a social creature myself, my presence on here was at the insistence of one of my friends (a number that can be on one hand with change) who left the country and insisted I try interacting with people instead of being lonely.

But it is harder to escape these days. You want to look to see if any news has come up for a Trek you like the toxic fanbase is there. You want to see a screenshot gallery from said trailer because your resolution is shit there it is. You want to amuse yourself with a funny star trek meme nope they have to be there too.

It's a cycle that isn't exactly appealing to repeat.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I know I keep saying this, but in a perfect world where Paramount has all the money they need and people are eager to give new Trek a chance, what I'd really want is 2-3 series running at once.

Series 1 - Really traditional Star Trek for grown ups and nerdy kids that takes itself seriously and tells normal stories. Lots of drama when appropriate, twists to get excited about, but also lots of boring talking in conference rooms and does not rock any boats. Early 25th century but made for new viewers to follow.

Series 2 - Kids cartoon series. Still very Star Trek, but does the Clone Wars/Prodigy thing of getting kids invested in the universe with more action-packed adventure and fun stories.

Series 3 - Something new and different! Takes wild swings without getting too dumb about it. Maybe it's Trek in a hospital. Maybe it's political Trek. Either way, it gets to the point and then ends with closure so the next idea can take its place.

Not all that different to what they tried in the Kurtzman era, but I think series 1 is what people were missing. We the need 'boring' grown up (and really good) Trek no one thinks works any more to keep the 'boring' grown up fans satisfied. It doesn't even have to cost too much, as series 3 would be the flashy show with all the CGI and spectacle.

 

[BillJ]

I know I keep saying this, but in a perfect world where Paramount has all the money they need and people are eager to give new Trek a chance, what I'd really want is 2-3 series running at once.

I'd be perfectly happy with one ten-episode season per year, focus everything you have (within reason) on making that story work. How they split that up between multiple series, I honestly don't care. I don't need Trek to be on TV, at this point it is all gravy. Sometimes lumpy gravy, but still gravy.

 

[Farscape One]

And maybe we will see what is already in the can for Season Two.

I was giving a way out for restarting the series from Season Three without any of the previous SFA sets.

Okay. It's a good hypothetical, and in-universe it can be excused as changing from second year to third year cadets go on field duty (given how much time has passed, I can see this as a possibility).

 

[Set Harth]

Beating the corpse of the poor thing isn't going to bring it back.

You at least need a bolt of lightning, I learned that from Friday the 13th.

 

[fireproof78]

I probably phrased it badly. When you do this type of storytelling, people are looking for connections between them and an overarching narrative that contains them all. There is no narrative thread that binds them together. I can watch one without any narrative desire to see what the rest offer.

With something like Star Wars, the Force, Jedi and Sith are a narrative thread that weaves its way through pretty much every Star Wars story out there. Trek has never had anything like that to bind its disparate parts together. There's no follow up desire. Which is probably why the Star Wars franchise is still far more popular than Trek with modern viewers.

And yet is one of Star Trek's strongest attractions to me. One of the reasons I stopped reading Star Wars books, or keeping up on Marvel was the insistence that one had to know everything. I got tired of lack of knowledge being a black mark among fan circles or friends.

Star Trek I turn on and enjoy. My focus is on the present not ancillary materials that might explain some minor details.