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What were your thoughts on the "Save Enterprise" campaign, at the time? Did you find it to be just some big publicity stunt, or did you really care and hope against hope that it would be successful in its efforts? Were you a part of this "enterprise," yourself? And how do you view it, now, a decade later?
 
Not a fan of the series overall but it felt at least unmerited to have that sort of campaign for a for-profit fictional series, let alone one that had had four seasons and over 90 episodes, let alone one that was part of a franchise that had already had over twenty seasons.
 
I knew the studio wouldn't listen, because big corporations never listen to things like this. :shrug:

Kor
 
I liked Enterprise but I was sort of surprised it even made it to a second season. Granted it took a few seasons, but TNG kind of became part of the larger culture for people who didn't even watch it. DS9 and Voyager had kind of that "Star Trek" cultural aura. I remember mainstream magazines I the grocery store showing Jeri Ryan on the cover when she joined the show. I remember my roommate at the time, who liked Star Trek casually and grew up on TNG, coming in while I was watching the second season and saying "what the hell are you watching?" - Anyway, I really enjoyed it, but I think it was amazing it was on so long. I think it is too bad it got cancelled though. I think if it had happened now Hulu or Netflix might have picked it up.
 
But to the OP's question... I was aware of the campaign but took no part in it. I was however hopeful (or hoping beyond hope) that it could be saved. In retrospect I don't believe that there was any chance though - the suits had already made up their mind.

I still have a spot in my heart for the show and would have liked to see the entry into Romulan war era.
 
Sorry, not trying to start something here, but it seems like you'd be the first to lead the "Let's sink another ST show" Brigade if the next show gets off to a slow start.

Just sayin'

"Another"? Mismanagement sank Enterprise. Even if they wanted to, fans don't have that kind of influence.

It's true, though. This is the ADHD generation. The days of giving a show a whole season, let alone two or three just as "a chance" are gone. The new show is going to have to be great by the time the opening credits start, or it's done.
 
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I designed some ad banners and stuff like that for the campaign, and I was hoping like hell the campaign would work, but deep down I had a feeling it wasn't going to go anywhere -- not because the fans weren't trying but because all TPTB seemed to have made up their minds no matter what. (Though I had second thoughts even about that when I saw how much money fans raised.)
 
"Another"? Mismanagement sank Enterprise. Even if they wanted to, fans don't have that kind of influence.

It's true, though. This is the ADHD generation. The days of giving a show a whole season, let alone two or three just as "a chance" are gone. The new show is going to have to be great by the time the opening credits start, or it's done.
I'd argue that this was true even fifteen years ago. Add to Trek fans being burned by Voyager and the general distaste than Insurrection left in the fandom' is collective mouth, it would have been an uphill battle even if someone behind the scenes gave a fuck.

The fact is, no other show in UPN's line up could bleed nearly two-thirds of its viewers in its first two seasons and expect a third season without a move to the Friday night time slot. UPN was more than generous, and only because it was attached to a major Paramount franchise.

I can only hope that CBS for all the talent being thrown at Series VI (is that what the cool kids are calling it?) have learned some lessons on this and won't wait till the ratings or subscriptions are in a tailspin to right any wrongs.
 
It reminded me a bit of the Save Farscape campaign. Yeah the studios don't listen, but I applaud people who try and do so in creative ways. That's how cult followings are built and shows like Farscape, Enterprise, and Jericho (I remember) got a cult following because of those campaigns.
 
I was vaguely aware of the campaign, but filed it under "no chance in hell" of success. And I've since heard it was some kind of swindle?
 
A very unpleasant time really, to be a Star Trek fan. And 2003 was around when I began to join online forums, so a baptism of fire. If you don't show your support in any shape or form, nobody's ever going to know and the strength of opinion against the show was unjustifiably more vocal to start with.

I remember the Save Enterprise organiser was a guy by the name of Tim Brazeal. Looked like a huge bearded biker kinda fella, and he was from one of the Southern States. I recall he and his wife got a lot of flak. Basically any old fan-turned-amateur sleuth, motivated by their own dislike of the show, digging through somebody's private life to find something to tarnish their, as far as I could see, genuine love to not see it end right there in February 2005. I donated some measly amount and eventually got it back... not that I needed it then, and knowing everything has running costs. Nowadays I absolutely couldn't afford much more than lending moral support.

I don't regret supporting the campaign and liked the aim of it so much I carried on for quite a while after. I moved onto the Trekunited forums for a bit, ran a petition calling for a Direct-to-DVD, carried on writing letters, mailing postcards and little home-made DVD discs with the Save Enterprise phoenix on them. Even as late as into the production of the first JJ Abrams' film, to Writer/Producer/Executives working on it and indeed anybody within CBS/Paramount. More recently I frequented the Facebook campaign launched around the time the Blu rays came out. But I guess that's pretty much done with now too.

I didn't consider it a waste of my time, because I still regularly rewatch the show and felt passionately about getting more from these characters or if not the 22nd Century, over the others which have been well-mined for stories. Frankly I'd still have preferred to see something onscreen that picks up where Season 4 left off, over anything that's come out of this franchise since... or probably ever will.

I think it's unlikely Star Trek 2017 will do any better than Enterprise did. There's a core of 2-3 million committed fans - the figure still left bothering to stick with UPN by the end - and even over a decade later, that's basically the ballpark figure CBS Access will be hoping subscribe. Fans seeking out Star Trek wherever it ends up, by whatever means and whatever media platform is willing to host it. So in my mind at least, the reasons for killing of my favourite show, not moving to another station, were more mired in studio politics and had nothing to do with the numbers. But we'll know for sure in the coming months.

Everything has it's time to shine and then everything goes into decline. Star Trek had begun to do that with Voyager. But I still watch Enterprise and see a show that's coming out the other side of that. So much so, getting to Season 4, it feels like the shine is back, there are places left to go and explore. The plug is pulled, just when it's at its most colourful. And sure, I'll always want more of what Manny Coto might've had instore for Season 5, even if the fire has died down since the days when I was willing to push quite so hard for it.
 
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I'd argue that this was true even fifteen years ago. Add to Trek fans being burned by Voyager and the general distaste than Insurrection left in the fandom' is collective mouth, it would have been an uphill battle even if someone behind the scenes gave a fuck.

The fact is, no other show in UPN's line up could bleed nearly two-thirds of its viewers in its first two seasons and expect a third season without a move to the Friday night time slot. UPN was more than generous, and only because it was attached to a major Paramount franchise.

I wouldn't call constant preemption of the show generous. Many of the commercials (see the one for Home) were not accurate and the preemption got so bad that some people didn't know when ENT was on anymore. UPN wouldn't know what a marketing plan was if it hit them in the head. It also didn't help that they couldn't decide whether they wanted to throw their lot in with sci-fi or youth-oriented comedies. That said, TV networks at the time were losing their patience with letting shows find their numbers.

It's unfortunate that ENT came out in a donut hole time period. Netflix wasn't around yet and syndication's popularity was starting to decline. The ratings might have been low by network standards but excellent for cable and any other format.
 
While this is true, what was the excuse when the show was in Season One and bled half its viewers between the primer and season finale?

I still maintain this show had more opportunity to catch an audience than any other genre show would've been allowed, all other things being equal. Everyone was so tone deaf as to how TV styles were changing, and that the Alien of the Week/Standalone format/ignoring half the cast wasn't gonna work, and the days of a series taking three seasons to be anywhere close to finding it's footing were long gone.
 
I support all the fans who tried to save ENT back in the day . I had the "fortune" of having stumbled upon ENT just three years ago. And I binged watched it. And I also knew exactly how many episodes I was going to get out of it. But I can imagine that during his first run, how difficult it must've been for hard-core fans what with all the vitriol that existed.

It's probably best that I came late to the party!

Having grown up on TOS, and obsessing over TNG in college, I have to say that ENT turned out to be my favorite of the Trek series.
 
I remember seeing some elected official, or another, even signing off on the "Save Enterprise" campaign, when I was watching The Evening News. It might've been to do with giving the effort some clout, to help it raise more money. It's been so long and I really wasn't actively following this effort, to be honest. But if I chanced upon some new piece of information, my ears went up, like Mister Spock's own did. I also remember thinking, at the time, that having elected officials involved probably was a bad idea. I suspect it didn't add any legitimacy to it, at all. Quite the contrary, probably. You know politicians, they've just got to line their pockets with everything they put their name on.

It would've been so much better had some celebrity become actively involved, or simply given it his "OK," and let people know that -ENT- was a really cool show. But, I don't know, boy ... you stick your hands in people's pockets and they don't usually respond very well, it seems. But "they" did raise the money, as I understand it, to pay the FULL price for 1 (one) whole, other season. Which, of course, was for naught, anyway. But it's funny how History repeats itself in STAR TREK and not just with this example, either.
 
While this is true, what was the excuse when the show was in Season One and bled half its viewers between the primer and season finale?

I still maintain this show had more opportunity to catch an audience than any other genre show would've been allowed, all other things being equal. Everyone was so tone deaf as to how TV styles were changing, and that the Alien of the Week/Standalone format/ignoring half the cast wasn't gonna work, and the days of a series taking three seasons to be anywhere close to finding it's footing were long gone.

There is a lot of blame to go around. While I agree that there's a lot of room for improvement in season 1, UPN was extremely tone-deaf, if not more so than Berman and Braga. Remember, those were the same people who thought that a boy band of the week was a good idea. I may be biased because I work for a company run by a moody guy but I maintain that the reason ENT got more than 1 season is because UPN didn't really know what they want.
 
No I wasn't part of any "Save Enterprise" campaign. But I was part of an "End Enterprise" campaign. Thinking back, it's pretty funny that Enterprise started with an End campaign and ended with a save campaign.
 
I didn't actively participate in any "Save Enterprise" campaign.

However, I did send them an annoyed message basically asking, "Why did you give us such a mediocre show for so long and then cancel it right when it finally started to get good?"

I just got a generic form letter in response. :rolleyes:

Kor
 
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