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Sacrifice of Angels

neozeks

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I've been wondering, what do people generally think about the big twist at the end of this episode? :vulcan:

I've seen a number of people say it was a letdown, primarily because of it's literal deus-ex-machina nature.
OTOH, I think it was a very good choice on the part of the writers, for several reasons.

1) Prophets really had godlike powers, at least inside the wormhole, and these were well established beforehand.

2) They had a clear motivation to act (they cared for Bajor and for their Emissary and he was asking for their help), it wasn't like they acted just on a whim or were pulled out by the writers to solve a plot hole.

3)It neatly tied Sisko's personal religious arc with the greater Dominion arc. I find it quite symbolic and ironic that an unbelieving Federation was saved only because of Sisko accepting his position as the Emissary.

4) It was unpredictable and shocking :eek: (well, at least to me). I'm trying to think of a different way the resolution could have been handled. The Federation winning militarily I find rather cliched and unsatisfying. Especially since the Dominion forces were clearly established as stronger so it would either take some new ally suddenly coming to their side or some kind of technobbable solution. And it would be much less dramatic - no helpless shock at the minefield coming down and no sudden, almost magic reversal of the chances (epecially the effect it had on Dukat).
Either way, what do with all those Dominion reinforcements? The only plausible way is for the wormhole to somehow be shut. But thanks to Changling-Bashir it was now practically imposible to close it (or so I presume, since the option would have probably come up in Call to Arms). So you'd once again need some techobabble solution (or keeping the minefield, but then, like I said, you lose the shock effect).

Your thoughts? :)
 
I'm trying to think of a different way the resolution could have been handled. The Federation winning militarily I find rather cliched and unsatisfying.

But they did win, just a little bit too late.
 
But they did win, just a little bit too late.

True, they won the battle (though that could be atributted to the morale boost/drop by the Dominion reinforcements not coming through the wormhole). What I really meant was retaking the station and stopping the Dominion reinforcements purely by military force, without any aid from the Prophets.
 
Think all the cliches where already used by being the defiant the only ship that made it trough, and youll think that it would be a prime target, considerering it was the flagship of the fleet. Everyone except the heroes suck its a universal rule :(
 
I don't think it was deus ex machina, because the Prophets were already established. Even though I didn't foresee it, I can see how someone would have guessed what would happen.
 
It defianantly was Deus ex machin. Completely ruined the entire arc. Low point of the Dominion War for me. That and the stupid Pah'Wraith war.
 
I saw it coming a mile away. My whole beef with it was that Sisko never thought of it himself. He thought he was going on a suicide mission into the wormhole. It never occurred to him that he, as the Emissary, should go in there and convince the Prophets to do something if they actually gave a damn about Bajor.

I don't have a problem with the Prophets destroying the fleet. It makes sense. It's the way it was handled that I found lacking.
 
I don't think it was deus ex machina, because the Prophets were already established. Even though I didn't foresee it, I can see how someone would have guessed what would happen.
I'm afraid that, the moment Defiant went through the Wormhole, I had a feeling that would happen. My thoughts about that possibility started when Rom deactivated the tactical systems a second too late.
 
I thought of it as Sisko thinking with the mindset of a Starfleet captain, acting as he did and that he didn't want to put his chips on something as intangible as help from the prophets going into that situation.

Personally, I loved it, and I agree, neozeks, that it tied together a larger story and a more personal Sisko story together and did it pretty well.
 
Frankly, I would have been disappointed if they hadn't involved the Prophets in some way. It just makes... sense, when you consider the role they have in the affairs of Bajor.

Another thing: it was quite refreshing to see deity-like beings take a direct role in the affairs of the Federation (as unintentional as it probably was on the Prophets' part). I mean, haven't you wondered what would happen if such beings actually did do as such instead of always dickering around with starships named Enterprise?
 
I'm trying to think of a different way the resolution could have been handled. The Federation winning militarily I find rather cliched and unsatisfying.
It's such an unsatisfying cliche when the good guys win a battle? LOL.
 
I had mixed feelings on the ending. I did not think they could win militarily. The sheer numbers being placed on the field seemed to make that a very remote possibility.

In the end I accepted it as the logically progression of the emissary storyline.

There had to be a point when the Prophets had to step up to the plate.
 
I'm trying to think of a different way the resolution could have been handled. The Federation winning militarily I find rather cliched and unsatisfying.
It's such an unsatisfying cliche when the good guys win a battle? LOL.

Well, the good guys winning simply because they were more powerful or because they remodulated the phasers or something like that would be rather predictable, wouldn't you say? :vulcan:
 
To me it makes sense the prophets had the power, so to speak. After all they did build the Wormhole. They were also non-corporeal so I have always wondered where did all of tha mtter go?
 
I think it is a bit of a dues ex machina but considering the Prophets were mixed in with the story arcs they actually could get away with it. As someone said, in a sense if the Prophets hadn't intervened in some way during the war it would have been disappointing. In fact I prefer this interference in the war than the WYLB cave fight climax. That seemed a little tacked on, whereas this served the larger story.
 
I liked the ending, even if it was a dues ex machina, simply because I didn't anticipate it at all, the first time watching it.

The graphic ship battles were already awesome, having the minefield come down anyway, created a "oh, what now?" feeling.

Even then, with Sisko talking to the Prophets, we weren't really sure exactly how they would stop the ships.

So when they simply made them vanished, it was like, Oh, they can do that too?"

No entity, except for the Organians, really went that far to interfere like that.

And that created the questions...what did they do with all those ships?
 
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