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Run Silent, Run Deep and TMP....

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I caught this classic '50s film, Run Silent, Run Deep, with Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster on TCM yesterday and I was really struck by how much this resonated with TMP. The situation between Gable's and Lancaster's characters was a near perfect parallel with the friction between Kirk and Decker in TMP. Indeed in RSRD we see (to some extent) how this could have been better explored in TMP for the better because it would have given us more meat for the story between the sequences of gaping over Vger's size.

Anyway, I thought so.
 
It's been a long time since I've seen that movie, but I'll have to check it out again with that in mind! Thanks for the recommendation! :)
 
Warped9 said:
I caught this classic '50s film, Run Silent, Run Deep, with Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster on TCM yesterday and I was really struck by how much this resonated with TMP. The situation between Gable's and Lancaster's characters was a near perfect parallel with the friction between Kirk and Decker in TMP. Indeed in RSRD we see (to some extent) how this could have been better explored in TMP for the better because it would have given us more meat for the story between the sequences of gaping over Vger's size.

Anyway, I thought so.
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Always thought so, too -- read the Beach novel, and you'll see more similarities. Didn't Wise also direct the sub flick? But there are also tonal similarities to another picture, Ice Station Zebra, where a sub is dispatched quickly on a rescue mission, with tension among the crew and passengers. The first half is about recalling the crew and hastily putting out to sea. Not as close as RSRD, but with a flavor that is less emotional and more stark, similar to how the first ST felt.
 
Basil said:
Warped9 said:
I caught this classic '50s film, Run Silent, Run Deep, with Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster on TCM yesterday and I was really struck by how much this resonated with TMP. The situation between Gable's and Lancaster's characters was a near perfect parallel with the friction between Kirk and Decker in TMP. Indeed in RSRD we see (to some extent) how this could have been better explored in TMP for the better because it would have given us more meat for the story between the sequences of gaping over Vger's size.

Anyway, I thought so.
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Always thought so, too -- read the Beach novel, and you'll see more similarities. Didn't Wise also direct the sub flick? .
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Yeah he did RUN, TMP (sounds like a rap group) and there's something else in common about them -- those are apparently the only pics he ever started shooting without a finished script. Guess his luck didn't hold out the second time round ...
 
It could have been interesting with a large contingent of new personnel who really like Decker and are miffed when Kirk takes over, offset by another group of old hands happy to serve with Kirk again. And in the end, like RSRD, the new hands along with Decker are won over by Kirk's leadership.
 
^Yeah, the closest we get to that is the alien ensign's "What about Captain Decker?" comment, and even that's shot down right away by Uhura.
 
That's a shame. How Paramount calculated the budget wasn't his fault, and with TMP he created a thoughtful, if not perfect, film.
 
trevanian said:
Ward Fowler said:
that and the fact that he basically retired.
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He got more involved with the academy, but in the one longish post trek interview I read with him, when he was making ROOFTOPS, he just said that he hadn't been offered anything in a long time.
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He said something to that effect when he visited my university in the late 1980s or early 1990s, when he was nearly 80.
 
Warped9 said:
It could have been interesting with a large contingent of new personnel who really like Decker and are miffed when Kirk takes over, offset by another group of old hands happy to serve with Kirk again. And in the end, like RSRD, the new hands along with Decker are won over by Kirk's leadership.
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Christopher Bennett's post-TMP novel Ex Machina explores these issues quite well.
 
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