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ROMULUS (Trek XI spoilers)

KobayashiMaru13

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ok, so romulus was destroyed by a supernova in 2387. yeah, i dont think so. in romulan history it is stated that the Rihan Senate was asassinated in bulk in 2402 (or was it 2404?). now, Rihan is the traditional name for romulus (or at least thats what ive been led to believe), so how did the senate survive, and how are they still on romulus? Most romulan history sites dont even mention the supernova. wtf happened? who didn't think this through? can someone explain this to me?
 
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ok, so romulus was destroyed by a supernova in 2387. yeah, i dont think so.

You can decide not to think so all you want, but it remains a fact of Trek canon.

Though there is some wiggle room with the visual depiction of Romulus's destruction, since it was a mind meld scene and other aspects of that sequence, such as Spock seeing Vulcan implode from Delta Vega, have been described as impressionistic. Romulus, for instance, might have been sterilized by radiation from the Hobus star, but not actually exploded as the mind meld visualization implies.

in romulan history it is stated that the Rihan Senate was asassinated in bulk in 2402 (or was it 2404?).

I'm not sure what you're referring to. In the canon, the Romulan Senate and Praetor were assassinated in 2379 by Shinzon, the leader of the Remans, and by Senator Tal'Aura and a group of Romulan military leaders who had allied with Shinzon and the Remans. That happened in the movie Star Trek: Nemesis (2002).

now, Rihan is the traditional name for romulus,

No. In the Rihannsu novels by Diane Duane, Romulus's native name is ch'Rihan in the Rihannsu language. (Rihannsu is revealed to be the real name of the Romulans, and "Romulus," "Remus," and "Romulan" to be Human names given to the Rihannsu.)

However, the Rihannsu novels were first written long before TNG and later Trek took the Romulans in a separate direction, and the Rihannsu/ch'Rihan thing was never adopted by the canon.

The Rihannsu series was set in the 2270s and doesn't feature any events from the 25th Century.
 
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Aha! I can now reverify what i said. I skimmed through the history a little fast before, but the corrections im now making only make the supernova less unlikely.

The asassination of a bulk of the Romulan Senate (and here comes the correction) occured in 2406 on ch'Rihan after the fall of the republic.

how is this explained?
 
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Y'know, if there's ever any Trek series set after 2387 or whatever, they can always have another planet renamed as Romulus (or New Romulus even). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happens...
 
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Jus out of morbid interest, what is this "Romulan history" you are speaking about? Is it some sort of a book? A comic book? A secret TV series only viewable in Albania? A website? Who wrote it, and why?

Timo Saloniemi
 
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Is that the supernova in the crappy new film we're talking about? Didn't that happen in the more "recent" post- TNG/DS9/Voyager timeline?
 
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There are the Star Trek novels that are not considered canon. In the 24th century there could be a New Romulus like one of the posters had mentioned. Remember the Romulans did have a Star Empire and with that colony worlds. It isn't as if there are just 10,000 or them left. Keep in mind in all of the ST series despite being arrogant, irascible, and having bad haircuts they did get around with Humans, Klingons, and Vulcans:rommie:.

An intriguing possibility put forth in one of the books, I think by Keith Candido, is that the Romulans split into two Empires. One headed by Tal'Aura who formed an alliance with the Gorn, Breen, and the Tholians. The other headed by Don'atra and Cmdr Toreth which had a chance(just a chance mind you) of having good relations with the Federation.
 
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Y'know, if there's ever any Trek series set after 2387 or whatever, they can always have another planet renamed as Romulus (or New Romulus even). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happens...

see, i wanted this cleared up because i was going to write a fanfic about the romulans taking place in 2411, and if this seriously happened its something i would need to know.
 
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Y'know, if there's ever any Trek series set after 2387 or whatever, they can always have another planet renamed as Romulus (or New Romulus even). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happens...

see, i wanted this cleared up because i was going to write a fanfic about the romulans taking place in 2411, and if this seriously happened its something i would need to know.

If it's your fanfic, then you can do whatever you want with it, including what I proposed above. Everyone who writes fanfic runs the risk of what they wrote being contradicted by a later Star Trek production (it happened to me 15 years ago when the Enterprise-D went down decades before it did in my 25th-Century fanfic).

IMO, just go ahead and don't worry about contradicting some yet unwritten canon since it's inevitably not going to be canon anyway. Have fun with it and make it your own.
 
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Aha! I can now reverify what i said. I skimmed through the history a little fast before, but the corrections im now making only make the supernova less unlikely.

The asassination of a bulk of the Romulan Senate (and here comes the correction) occured in 2406 on ch'Rihan after the fall of the republic.

how is this explained?

What the hell are you talking about? What are you reading? (And are you sure that they're using the Gregorian calender when they cite the year 2406?)

Anyway, understand that in Star Trek, only the films and TV shows are canonical. That doesn't mean that novels or books or games or comics "didn't happen" -- but it does mean that future films or TV shows don't have to stay consistent with the novels, et al, if they don't want to.

An intriguing possibility put forth in one of the books, I think by Keith Candido, is that the Romulans split into two Empires. One headed by Tal'Aura who formed an alliance with the Gorn, Breen, and the Tholians. The other headed by Don'atra and Cmdr Toreth which had a chance(just a chance mind you) of having good relations with the Federation.

More specifically, the novel Titan: Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels established that the post-Shinzon, post-Senate Romulan Star Empire had several different factions that were vying for power in Ki Baratan (the capital), with Tal'Aura, the Senator who set the thalaron weapon and murdered the Senate on Shinzon's behalf, setting herself up as Praetor, with Tomalak as her Proconsul. Tal'Aura only has the loyalty of about half of the Imperial Fleet, however -- the other half is answering to Donatra, the Imperial Fleet Commander who turned on Shinzon when she realized he was planning to commit genocide against Earth and helped the Enterprise-E defeat him.

The novel Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido established that between in-fighting between the two half of the Romulan fleet, conquered vassal worlds declaring independence, and civil strife between Romulans and Remans on Romulus and throughout the Empire, the Romulan Star Empire seems on the brink of civil war. In December of 2380, about a year after NEM, Donatra and has her fleet gain control of several major agricultural worlds and declare independence from the Romulan Star Empire, forming the Imperial Romulan State and declaring herself its Empress. Empress Donatra's territory encompasses about half of the Star Empire and half of its military.

In the Destiny miniseries, both the Romulan Star Empire and Imperial Romulan State, amongst all of the nations of local space, ally with the Federation against the Borg invasion. Both promptly get their asses handed to them since the Borg are actually out to invade and aren't fooling around with only one ship at a time. Like the rest of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, they're only saved at the last minute by the miraculous ending to Destiny that you really ought to read, because it's actually good. During the invasion, a ship from the Imperial Romulan State sacrificed itself to save a Federation world, while the Romulan Star Empire never sent any ships into Federation space -- so the Federation is now much more inclined to be nice to Donatra's government than Tal'Aura's.

In the novel A Singular Destiny, also by DeCandido, the Star Empire joins the Typhon Pact, an alliance of the Romulan Star Empire, Gorn Hegemony, Tholian Assembly, Tzenkethi Coalition, Breen Confederacy, and Holy Order of the Kinshaya formed after all of those nations realized the benefits of peaceful cooperation and unity over factionalism and war after the invasion... but still didn't want to join the Federation. In response, the Federation and Klingon Empire announced that they're calling a summit to see about expanding the Khitomer Accords to encompass the Cardassian Union, Talarian Republic, Ferengi Alliance, and Imperial Romulan State.

An upcoming miniseries called The Typhon Pact will be about the new relationships between Typhon Pact and Khitomer alliance members.

The game Star Trek Online has used the Imperial Romulan State and Tal'Aura/Donatra rivalry as part of its background, but their version of events is very different. There's no Typhon Pact, and the I.R.S. rejoins the R.S.E. after only a few years.
 
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the supernova happened in a different quantum reality.

There is no canonical evidence of that. The evidence we have indicates that it happened in the same Trekverse that TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and all the movies were set in, and that the old Spock we met in ST09 was the same guy we saw in TOS and the films.
 
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the supernova happened in a different quantum reality.

mmm... i can see that as being plausible. after all, it seemed to me that the trekverse post dominion war timeline was altered to include the supernova. perhaps it had been the intention for it to be different quantum reality, or such.
 
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It would still be interesting to know where you got the idea that the Romulan Senate was attacked in 2406. Was it some sort of a book? What was the name of the book? Who wrote it?

Timo Saloniemi
 
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It would still be interesting to know where you got the idea that the Romulan Senate was attacked in 2406. Was it some sort of a book? What was the name of the book? Who wrote it?

Timo Saloniemi
I'm starting to think that it's from a story he himself wrote, and in some weird way, is attempting to gain attention to his own fan fiction. But, what do I know?
 
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^ first off, try reading the gender sign please. secondly, i have realized my source was memory beta, which is not cannon, so i was perhaps misinformed. and lastly, i only wanted to know because it would influence the plot of my story. i could care less if you yourself read it, Yug. im sorry that the fact that i like to be accurate bothers you. and thank you those like Timo who were at least polite.
 
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