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Romulus in Triangulum? Maybe not.

psCargile

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So there I was, doing a little bit of the ol' research for my own fan fiction using Celestia and the nice giant maps of Star Trek: Stellar Cartography, identifying the key worlds and marking them in Celestia. Being curious about where Romulus might hypothetically be, I did another internet search and saw "128 Trianguli". Ok, good. Switched over to Celestia--it did not have a listing for 128 Tri, but no problem if it's a fictional star in the constellation--and found the constellation Triangulum, which is the northern sky. Problem is, it's on the opposite side of the sun from where the Romulan Star Empire is presented in the most current Star Trek maps. However, Triangulum Australe, the Southern Triangle, happens to be in the correct portion of the sky to correlate with the Romulan Empire. And beta TrA is an F1 V star about 40 ly away. If it is not a better candidate, some other star in the constellation will do.


The stars marked in green diamonds represent the key stars of the Federation's core and outer ranges. Denebola probably isn't Denobula, but it's included as reference because both real and fictional stars are near the Romulan Neutral Zone. Because Celestia doesn't have a 128 Trianguli listed, I used alpha Trianguli instead as a reference to where the constellation would be, though it should be noted that the "territory" of the constellation extends along a direct line of sight from the Earth, however it would be unreasonable for Romulus to be outside the neighborhood of nearest stars. And it's obviously in the wrong place. Is my map upside down? No. Every other star matches position in reference to the official published maps, which I assume most of you have access to, or are familiar enough with them, so I don't have to find online sources to link, or attempt to photograph or scan and piece together sections of 24 x 36 inch posters.

The Klingons are outward past Regulus, Cardassia, Bajor, and DS9 are beyond Mizar, and the Ferengi and the Breen are near Izar.


And here is a view looking toward the galactic center in Sagittarius. Achernar (misspelled in my maps) could be beneath the Romulan Star Empire as opposed to being in the middle of it. The arm of the Federation that extends to Canopus could also run under the Klingon Empire. Izar is pretty high above the galactic plane with lots of space underneath to explore between Kirk and Picard. And the Genesis dwarf planet is well beyond Bellatrix, meaning it would have taken the Reliant and the Enterprise several years at warp 7 to reach Ceti Alpha and the Regulas station. (Somebody need to recalibrate that warp speed scale!)

So anyway, if we want the Romulan empire between the Federation and the Delta Quadrant, Romulus can't be in The Triangle, it has to be in The Southern Triangle. Don't argue. Don't explain it away. Just thank me.

http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ Unfortunately, this software has not been updated since 2010. Celestia does no calculations, it presents planets and celestial objects, this is important to know because it is rather easy to create add-on systems, but if you know nothing of orbital mechanics, it will not care if you create impossible solar systems. It's limited in range, so when I wanted to create worlds for my own fiction some 33,000 ly away, I had/have to create everything, that's when excel comes in handy. http://scifiendvrs.blogspot.com/2012/08/making-new-solar-systems-for-celestia.html
 
Yeah, Romulus always was in Triangulum Australe in these maps, from Chris Rühl's originals to the latest Stellar Cartography variants. The southern variant isn't merely in the right direction (a direction established way back in Probert's old onscreen map for TNG "Conspiracy", even if that flipped some previous fan and RPG expectations, and then enforced by lots of Okuda maps), it's a fairly tight asterism with lots of stars at the right distance, properly between Earth and Gamma Hydra.

What's even bigger fun is that putting the fictional 128 Tri Australe where that asterism is and then placing the "Balance of Terror" onscreen map over that Romulan territory gives us the "upper left corner" of a round shape that could be the eggshell of the Romulan Neutral Zone we see in Okuda maps (and can pretend to see in the ST2:TWoK simulation if we wish, all that talk about Klingons notwithstanding), without us having to rotate that map from the otherwise assumed "rim is down, core is up, rotationwise is left" position of all onscreen Trek maps.

Doing Romulus was one of the easiest bits of doing Star Charts, although that's probably by sheer coincidence rather than careful groundwork done by the people who created the original onscreen/RPG/novel factoids. Indeed, choosing Tri Australe over Tri is going rather explicitly against the intent of Diane Duane who invented 128 Tri (we can read from her books which stars are supposed to be in the neighborhood, and those match the Northern Triangle). It doesn't contradict Duane's books as such, though (the general assumptions about distances in these maps mean that those neighbors mentioned are "close" to both Triangles).

Romulus is also the one part of Star Charts that isn't particularly badly outdated by newer developments in Trek. If anything, recent Trek has reinforced the idea of a fairly compact Star Trek playground where mortal enemies live close by, and in the directions indicated in the 1990s-2000s televised Trek.
Oh, and thank you! :beer: Seeing these things in 3D is a blast!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Thank you.

I'm planning to take a tour through Triangulum Australe in Elite Dangerous (I make most of my money on exploration missions). I'll let you know if I see anything green and feathery in the area.
 
The Celestia Motherlode has Star Trek models and systems add-on packs for those interested in DL Celestria. They do have Romulus and Remus, but I haven't downloaded the add-on to see where the author places them.
 
Hmmm.
After seeing this, I have to admit to once again wanting a map of the "Rihannsu-verse" version of the region. For all that we've enjoyed it, it was and is very much its own thing within Trek.
 
And yes, I do suspect that either (1) prefixes of numbers from pre-existing star catalogues she might have referenced in the course of writing her books may have been stripped out in the editing/proofreading phase, or (2) the Flamsteed numbering got extended by some then-future international convention of astronomers as part of her books' shared backstory. Possibly both.
 
Here's the formula I used for my Romulan star system .stc file:
650053 "Eisn:Romula:Ket-cheleb:128 Tri A"
{
RA 210.1791
Dec -66.6405
Distance 53.26
SpectralType "G0V"
AppMag 2.29
}
 
I will need to correct/update the information on this, since I've edited the .stc file sometime after posting this. I've removed the HIP numerical designation (650053); it should now read like this:
"Eisn:Romula:Ket-cheleb:128 TrA"
{
RA 210.1791
Dec -66.6405
Distance 53.26
SpectralType "G0V"
AppMag 2.29
}
 
And now that I've looked at that second map again - the one looking towards the galactic core - it gives me a different perspective on both Achernar and Gamma Hydrae (per "The Vulcan Hello" and "Battle of the Binary Stars")...and Klingon-Romulan border disputes across the centuries.
 
Thank you.

I'm planning to take a tour through Triangulum Australe in Elite Dangerous (I make most of my money on exploration missions). I'll let you know if I see anything green and feathery in the area.
How did that go? I have to admit to some admiration of that game system's map-depiction methodology.
 
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