Just watched this and wanted to give Kudos. And anyone who doesn't like Gowron should have their head examined imo. You can't go wrong in an episode about the Klingons and their culture. And this one is just a pleasure to watch.
Rightful Heir is a fantastic episode
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I like Gowron. He might be the most realistic politician in the Trek universe.
The premise of this ep is a bit of a stretch.
The premise of this ep is a bit of a stretch.
Except in the end when he's willing to compromise the entire quadrant to discredit Martok.
Gowron was always crazy - didn't he have the bomb planted on the ship in Reunion?
Duras planted the bomb in Reunion. I suppose Gowron could have used a Romulan device to cast the blame toward Duras, but at the time he didn't know Duras was involved with Romulans and he seemed shocked when Worf said 'Molecular decay detonator'.
Wouldn't putting his own popular appeal higher than national safety make him a *more* realistic politician?
Wouldn't putting his own popular appeal higher than national safety make him a *more* realistic politician?
Well, the Dominion tried to get rid of Gowron. That means that he was good enough to be worth getting rid of.
Gowron started out strongly but became a bit more addled as time went on. Perhaps he got tired of being a politician and confused his own desire to be remembered as a warrior-chancellor with that of the broader interests of the Klingon Empire. He wouldn't be the first "good" politician who's standards deteriorate as time wears on.
At least he had room for deterioration, unlike some politicians that we know.
Let's keep that kind of comment where it belongs - and that ain't here.
^ I see. Lots of politicians reading this thread, are there? 
As for this episode: Of course it's awesome. With Kevin Conway as Kahless, how could it not be?
As for this episode: Of course it's awesome. With Kevin Conway as Kahless, how could it not be?
Gowron was never really a 'good' politician. Remember even after he knew Mogh was not the traitor he only restored Worf's status out of extortion. Just, he was not pro-Romulan and had the classically Klingon desire to kill his enemies through combat instead of poison.
The OP's boundless enthusiasm for this episode is exactly how I feel about TNG, in general. This series is the best damn STAR TREK ever made! There's something in it, for everyone ... and we are forever in Gene Roddenberry's debt.
Gowron was better when he was nasty than when he was... accommodating.
I didn't much care for this episode. I agree the premise was a stretch and so was the conclusion. I have a hard time believing any decent Klingon would look up to a clone. This was confirmed in "The Sword Of Kahless" when he was dismissed by Kor. Gowron was great as always but I think Cloneless was miscast.
Kor was a bit of a reactionary. He dismissed Martok for no other reason than his lineage.
He liked worf, when they weren't coveting the same sword that is. I guess once they got rid of the sword the mutual esteem was reestablished. Maybe he would have approved of worf as chancellor.
I rather liked that Kahless was a shorter stout guy, as you imagine ancient people to be, rather than the idealized ubermen we create them. Jesus probably looked nothing like the bony white dudes that usually play him in the movies. I kinda didn't like the redheadedness of him though.
Why shouldn't Klingons honor the clone of Kahless? Sure, it's not the guy, but its the genetic copy. They hold the grandchildren of traitors accountable like the actual perpetrators; you'd think they'd find something to honor in Kahless's blood.
It was also good to see different races of Klingon in this episode. The lead monk was a white guy, Kahless a little gingery, some other monks were darker-skinned. It'd love to see a book of all the different types of Klingons in the empire. Likely ones we've never seen before. I'd love to see entirely new races, similar to Earth ones and completely not, as well.
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