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Richard Kelly's "The Box"

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I loved this movie. Granted, I'm a big Richard Matheson fan, and this movie is based on his short story "Button, Button." Richard Matheson contributed some of the very best scripts for Twilight Zone, which is one of my all time favorite shows, and the movie plays like a long Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits episode, which for me is a good thing. What are your opinions?
 
If you know Richard Kelly you should know what to expect. For those who went to see this movie and didn't know that, I can forgive them for just going :wtf:, and thinking the movie was shite
 
I loved this movie. Granted, I'm a big Richard Matheson fan, and this movie is based on his short story "Button, Button." Richard Matheson contributed some of the very best scripts for Twilight Zone, which is one of my all time favorite shows, and the movie plays like a long Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits episode, which for me is a good thing. What are your opinions?


Haven't seen THE BOX yet, but I feel obliged to point out that Matheson is being inducted into the Science Fiction Hall of Fame this summer. The ceremony is being held in Seattle on June 26th.

(Also being inducted are Roger Zelazny, Octavia Butler, and Douglas Trumbull.)
 
I read the spoilers, and it sounds pretty lame. I don't mind a bit of weirdness - I loved HBO's Carnivale - but, just like action sequences, weirdness must complement a narrative. The abundance freaky stuff in Carnivale works so well, imho, because the overall story is a very simple tale of a good person and an evil person becoming aware of, searching for, and then fighting each other.

Haven't seen the Twilight Zone ep or read the story for this one, but it seems to me that the episode had the best story and the best ending. After reading up on the movie, though (including the AV Club's Flops Case File), I understand that not only is the story confusing and ambiguous, it doesn't really go anywhere.

Pass.
 
If anyone's interested, the story can be found in Matheson's anthology: THE BOX: UNCANNY STORIES. Currently available from (ahem) Tor Books.

Did I mention I'm Matheson's editor. :)
 
The Box was good when it followed Richard Matheson's short story, so basically the first act. When it deviated and went into Richard Kelly territory, it became overly convoluted.
 
I was just going to start a thread on this. My wife and I watched it not too long ago and I can't for the life of me understand what happened following the pressing of the button. It was just............wierd. When I found out that it was done by the same person that did Donnie Darko, I figured out why I couldn't.....well......figure it out. I still have never figured out Donnie Darko but, admittedly, I've only seen it once so maybe subsequent viewings might help me understand it better (or OTOH maybe not).
:confused:

Overall, I frankly did not care for "The Box" (though I might appreciate it more if I understood it better). The first part- which, according to previous posters encompassed the Matheson short story- seemed pretty decent but then I simply couldn't figure out what was happening, where the story was going, and, most importantly, what it was trying to say (theme). Any good sites for explaining the movie?
 
I was just going to start a thread on this. My wife and I watched it not too long ago and I can't for the life of me understand what happened following the pressing of the button.

After the pressing of the button, the aliens basically had the last person to push the button killed--then they figuratively added one more mark against humanity to the blackboard (two marks if the person would rather live than save their own child from a horrible fate).
 
I was fully warned this movie was crap when I rented it, so I wasn't too badly disappointed when it turned out to be crap. :rommie: I just couldn't stop being curious about where they went with the story and how bad it really was.

The story's downfall was that it got overly literal. Once they reveal that yes, someone really did die, then you have to keep going with explanations, and that leads to nonsense about aliens and angels, or perhaps alien angels?

It would be hard to stretch this concept to a full length movie, but if you insisted on trying, the way to do it would be to leave the audience and the main characters in suspense for the whole thing whether they've killed anyone at all, or whether they've "only" traded their peace of mind for a million dollars, and nobody actually died.

The complications could be that each spouse thinks the other is in on the conspiracy, and then they suspect their employers, neighbors, and it never stops - they just can't accept that anyone would give them a million dollars for no reason at all. Of course in the end, the reason is, to see how easy it is to drive someone nuts through guilt and paranoia.

To change nothing about these people's environment except within their minds - allowing them to punish themselves for their greed - is far more interesting than committing a boringly literal murder. All you're doing is giving some people a million dollars. What they think about it is their own fault. But to pull that off without boring the audience would require a Hitchcockian director.

A far far better movie that is reminiscent of that scenario in some ways is A Simple Plan. Rent that instead!

I was just going to start a thread on this. My wife and I watched it not too long ago and I can't for the life of me understand what happened following the pressing of the button.

After the pressing of the button, the aliens basically had the last person to push the button killed--then they figuratively added one more mark against humanity to the blackboard (two marks if the person would rather live than save their own child from a horrible fate).

Yeah I figured that out, but it wasn't very interesting. Who the fuck are these aliens to be judging humans at all? That's a tired sci fi trope. Of course people act altruistically towards their children or other family members or friends, and the altruism lessens as you go outwards from their circle of relatedness, so that they are likely to act without any altruism towards strangers. You don't need an experiment to tell that about human nature! Pick up a history book. These aliens are dolts. :rommie:
 
So, is it a 100% pure and unrefined confusing nonsense like Southland Tales or does it make at least a tiny bit of sense?
 
That's my moms favorite episode of The Twilight Zone, so she really wants to see the movie. I've been a bit leary as to how they would drag that out into a whole movie, but I guess I could see how it would be possible. Also wondering about the ending. Not that I want anyone to tell me the ending, but if you know the ending to the story, will you still be surprised by the ending of the movie, or is it pretty much the same?
 
The end of the short story is the end of the first act of the movie. When it happend you've still got 2/3 of the movie to go. The 2nd act is weird for the sake of weird nonsense, but the 3rd act gets back on course and the movie ends well.
 
I love Richard Kelly's stuff. I understood Southland Tales. Heck, I thought this movie was easier to follow than Donnie Darko.
 
That's my moms favorite episode of The Twilight Zone, so she really wants to see the movie. I've been a bit leary as to how they would drag that out into a whole movie, but I guess I could see how it would be possible. Also wondering about the ending. Not that I want anyone to tell me the ending, but if you know the ending to the story, will you still be surprised by the ending of the movie, or is it pretty much the same?

There's a different ending, but it did not so much change the original ending as add to it. As I've said, I watched both Twilight Zones when they originally aired, and I loved this movie--I think your mother might also.
 
There's a different ending, but it did not so much change the original ending as add to it. As I've said, I watched both Twilight Zones when they originally aired, and I loved this movie--I think your mother might also.

Sounds good. I'll go ahead and pop it in my Netflix queue so I don't forget about it. :techman:
 
There's a different ending, but it did not so much change the original ending as add to it. As I've said, I watched both Twilight Zones when they originally aired, and I loved this movie--I think your mother might also.

Sounds good. I'll go ahead and pop it in my Netflix queue so I don't forget about it. :techman:

Let me know what you and she thinks, positive or negative, after you guys watch it.
 
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