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Reunion: Proof of Worf's Innocence

Kei Fox

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I noticed that just before Worf struck down Duras, the latter claimed he was the only one who could prove Worf's innocence. But there was still the unheard testimony of Kahlest from "Sins of the Father" which K'mpec did not allow to be given in front of the Council. Even with Duras dead, wouldn't she still be able to testify to the Council and Gowron afterwards? There is the possibility that she was deceased, as well.
 
The events of Sins of the Father revealed that Kahlest didn't actually know anything. Picard only brought her to the hearing because he assumed her presence would intimidate people into thinking she had knowledge about the truth, & that might possibly "Shake loose" the actual truth... & it worked
 
Oddly, Duras said that he was the only one who could prove Worf's innocence... in front of multiple witnesses. If he had survived, he would have had some explaining to do.
 
Kempec (sp?) knew that Worf was innocent, that didn't change anything. For all, we know these imbeciles all knew of Worf's innocence but they pretended not to for the "sake of the empire". So much for Klingon honor.
 
Kempec (sp?) knew that Worf was innocent, that didn't change anything. For all, we know these imbeciles all knew of Worf's innocence but they pretended not to for the "sake of the empire". So much for Klingon honor.

Worf explicitly states (and Gowron bitterly repeats) "the Council knew!", but it doesn't matter - regardless of whether Duras dies, his family is too powerful for the Council to risk admitting Worf is innocent - or even to back Gowron as Chancellor without him exposing the House of Duras as Romulan conspirators.
 
I watched this one last night for the first time in at least a decade. To be honest as an adult I'm much less interested in the Klingons than as a child. A lot of the honour conversations feel like manufacturing drama as there isn't all that much depth to them. For a race that is so prominent in the show, K'Ehleyr is one of the few Klingon characters with a distinct personality, and we all know what happens there.

Also, and maybe this is me being stupid, but why was the bomb set off? I can't quite figure out what was trying to be accomplished if it was anything more than mindless disruption
 
Seems simple to me: Gowron needed to expose Duras' shady ties with the Romulans (because his own shady ties with the Feds were already public, and a burden on his campaign), so he staged an incident that would be traced back to the Romulans and to Duras. A Romulan nano-bomb could be clandestinely inserted into a Duras operative, perhaps with a brotherly punch in the arm after a friendly little wrestling duel between the respective bodyguards.

Whether Gowron also poisoned K'Mpec is another question. He's certainly no good guy, merely the guy who's less bad for the Federation. And he's the one with the motivation to depose K'Mpec whose rule was keeping the House of Duras in power. Duras would have less reason to bite the hand that fed him, but perhaps he saw the end of K'Mpec's reign approaching and wanted to take the initiative when he still could?

This is the level of treachery required for survival in the highest levels of the Empire. Nobody would really care about Worf's innocence: he'd certainly be guilty of something, and if he doesn't wriggle out of the charges, well, that's evidence of him scheming something even worse...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Oddly, Duras said that he was the only one who could prove Worf's innocence... in front of multiple witnesses. If he had survived, he would have had some explaining to do.

Those "witnesses" were loyal to Duras. Hell, some of them probably already knew....They may have been sons of Klingons who were in cahoots with Duras' father in the first place...
 
I watched Reunion this week and really enjoyed it! Much more than any of the other episodes (outside of BOBW2, Remember Me anyway) I even liked the Klingon banter which I usually find a bit tiresome and the quality of the picture resonated with me too! :klingon:
JB
 
They probably thought Duras got a very honorable death...They would have been upset if Worf put him in a cell with a comfy bed for him to die of old age in....

That's just about the worst thing you could do to a Klingon, although Duras being more of a Romulan (in spirit) than a Klingon would probably like it better than death.
 
You think proof would have worked on those people?

Klingon honor is a political tool, it's not something anyone but Worf takes
seriously in any other terms but the appearance.

So, Worf is a Democrat in a race of Republicans.
 
Oddly, Duras said that he was the only one who could prove Worf's innocence... in front of multiple witnesses. If he had survived, he would have had some explaining to do.

Actually, when Duras said that, there were no witnesses. Riker and the security men only arrived right before Worf struck the death blow. I doubt they heard anything Duras had to say.

They probably thought Duras got a very honorable death...They would have been upset if Worf put him in a cell with a comfy bed for him to die of old age in....

Actually most Klingons would still consider Duras' death as cowardly and without honor. He is in Gre'thor and everyone knows it.

Sure, Duras half-heartedly put up a fight, but everybody knew that his treachery and scheming (and most of all, his murder of K'Ehleyr) were the reasons Worf killed him. All of those things would be conduct unbecoming a true Klingon, so as Picard pointed out, it would be common knowledge that Duras died in disgrace.
 
I don't quite see this.

Why would the murder be objectionable? Clearly, K'Ehleyr put up a fight. She lost, so it was her own damn fault for being an inferior Klingon. This still doesn't mean she goes to Hell; she just gets to boast a bit less in the feasts of afterlife.

Dealing with a political opponent by gutting her sounds like a very Klingon thing to do, much superior to Gowron's clumsy attempts at bribery. If anything, K'Ehleyr's supposed attempt to wield information as a weapon would be less Klingon than Duras' more straightforward response.

Whatever Duras was, "coward" doesn't seem to enter it. We have no reason to think the winner of the duel with K'Ehleyr would have gone unidentified, or indeed that Duras would have made the slightest effort to hide his role there (it's not as if Starfleet starship quarters have a "fight in progress" alarm in any other adventure, either). Duras also willingly enters a duel with Worf, much like Gowron later on, when his status (as a leader of greater stature than Worf) and practical circumstance (as the commander of many an armed man in the room) would allow him to forgo that.

Treachery has never been identified as a vice in Klingons. That is, Klingons engage in it a lot, in basically all Trek eras, but when they do so, this is basically hailed as a virtue instead, such as with Koloth's clever poisoning scheme. Plots to outwit the enemy are pure warrior stuff, at least as long as there's some clanging of swords involved, too.

What is frowned upon is allying with the enemy, but I guess Duras would have the advantage there: even if caught, he's merely proven equal to Gowron, not inferior...

(As for witnesses, I guess this meant Duras' men.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
Why would the murder be objectionable? Clearly, K'Ehleyr put up a fight. She lost, so it was her own damn fault for being an inferior Klingon.

It's also possible that Duras didn't give her a choice, fight or die. K'Ehleyr might not have wanted to fight, she had to?
I wonder, how do Klingons react when it's a man against a woman fight? With us humans men are usually thought to be the stronger side in a fight like that. What about Klingons? Is it honorable for a Klingon male to kill a Klingon female in a fight?
 
It's also possible that Duras didn't give her a choice, fight or die. K'Ehleyr might not have wanted to fight, she had to?

K'Ehleyr did not strike me as someone who would ever back down from a fight.

On the contrary, she'd totally fight when necessary. And probably be good at it.

That said... Given how (relatively) easily Worf kicked his ass, it seems clear Duras was never much of a fighter. In a fair, one-on-one fight, K'Ehleyr surely would have killed him. So I find it rather likely that Duras snuck up on K'Ehleyr and stabbed her in the back. And let's be honest, that'd be exactly the sort of thing Duras would do.
 
Oddly, Duras said that he was the only one who could prove Worf's innocence... in front of multiple witnesses. If he had survived, he would have had some explaining to do.

Those witnesses were Duras' own men. So, not actually helpful at all.
 
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