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allstar77

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This is for the older Trek fans? Remember when all we had besides TOS, TAS, and a film or two was FASA and Pocket novels? Did you enjoy things better then than now with all the spinoffs that came afterwards? I'm thinking about the Klingons in The Final Reflection and the Romulans in The Romulan Way. Was it more fun with fan speculation? Or do you like the way things progressed? I kinda miss those fill-in-the-blank days.

Just a thought.
 
This is for the older Trek fans? Remember when all we had besides TOS, TAS, and a film or two was FASA and Pocket novels? Did you enjoy things better then than now with all the spinoffs that came afterwards? I'm thinking about the Klingons in The Final Reflection and the Romulans in The Romulan Way. Was it more fun with fan speculation? Or do you like the way things progressed? I kinda miss those fill-in-the-blank days.

Just a thought.


Define older, please. 50plus??? I´m 36 and a fan for more than 20 years. What I miss sometimes are more stand-alone novels with gripping stories. TOS novels are mostly stand-alone these days, but they have low number of sales in Germany, so the German Publisher decided to translate one TOS per year at most. So I read them in English.
 
I remember that era, but I'm not sure it was better then. As much as I'm a TOS guy, the later shows and movies, including the new ones, have given us lots of new material to digest and enjoy, as well as new shows and movies to be excited about.
 
The newer Star Trek (ENT with Archer and the new timeline movies) gradually loses attraction for me. The new movies make me regularly switch off my TV, enjoying a novel by David Mack, DRG III, Kirsten Beyer or Greg Cox instead. There is still hope for ENT: there are still reruns on TV. The reason for not reading ENT novels is, that I have to choose between a great number of great novels and I have a budget to take into account. ENT is the show I´m content with postponing until further notice. I used to avoid DS9, but got into by reading the novels without having seen the whole show.

The reason for not liking the new movies (Abrams) are: they look too artificial. They lack "heart and mind". I don´t feel with the characters like I did with the established cast. That is only my opinion. I know there are many older Trekkies who like both older and newer Trek. The new characters went straight into the cinema without having been in a series before. And for me, only James Doohan is Scotty, no offense to Simon Pegg.
 
I remember when we didn't even have TOS yet. First sci-fi show I remember watching that got me into sci-fi was Men Into Space in 1959. That and The Twilight Zone, which also started then.
 
I was born the year trek started, so it was off the air before I really even became self-aware. I watched Trek on my living room TV with my dad when I was about 5. However, it really wasn't until Star Wars hit in '77 that I fell in love with science, space and space dramas. Those were the years that things really got into the Zone; from '76 to the early 80s, we had Star Wars, Trek the Movie, Battlestar Galactica, Aliens, and Close Encounters. Not to mention that the whole UFO and UFO abduction thing was really hot too. It all got me thinking, and more specifically, it got me thinking about what's out 'there,' and how we will live in the future. I gobbled up books, comic books, TV and everything else that I found on the subject. Other than football, motorcycles and girls, I lived and breathed Trek and everything else associated with space during my High School years. This was before cell phones, home computers, and Cable TV. Heck, I didn't even have a VCR until I had graduated High School. So, if I wanted to see a show, I had to catch at the time the network was showing it, or I was screwed. And that was fine to me because I had a myriad of other ways to entertain myself.

Today, we have all of this access to everything, any time, any where, and there just seems to be something...soul-less about it, I guess. The new movies are absolutely awesome; great effects, sound...and the acting is good too, but at the same time, not as nice as the original Trek seemed to me in 1972, when I was a kid watching Trek on our 'BIG' 19' TV.

And I think that has much to do with nostalgia. The reason I say that is because everything today seems less awesome to me; amusement parks, pizza, Christmas, shopping malls, TV in general...I just think we tend to think about the past in a way that leaves out the drab, the melancholy and the aggravations that existed then. Things were never as nice as we think them to be later and that may even be true for us 25 years from now when we think about today. I sometimes listen to my mom telling about how she grew up in a house without electricity, and how magical things seemed to her.

To me, Trek is less cerebral than it once was, and at the same time, it is also less fun. I can't put my finger on it because there are many shows in TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT that are every bit as well-developed and written than those from TOS. But it just seems that way to me, and I guess that is, in part, because it's not 1972, and it never will be again. Nostalgia.

I caught my teenage daughter saying that she missed the 'good old days' (which, to her is like 2010 :lol:).

The cycle continues...
 
Well, I was also younger then. I don't know what it's like to be a 12-year-old Star Trek fan today.

Was it more enjoyable because it was more unknown? Was it more enjoyable because the sense of wonder was compounded by the fact all we had outside of TOS were mainly fanfic?

Has getting older made me more jaded to different ideas? Each successive Trek seemed to get worse and worse after TNG and DS9, Bad writing, plot holes, contradictions to continuity and canon, and overall stale concepts.

It was fun finding a "Best of Trek" compilation and reading all the speculation. That was what we did before the Internet, kids.
 
I don't miss it. I remember being a kid at the book store staring at the single shelf and feeling sad that I had now read every Star Trek book available.
 
I am with Melakon and teacake. I remember when there was no TOS, and the Sci Fi we did have was just fine. I remember when I finished the books, and was hungry for more.

But, if I read the OP question correctly, my answer would be that when I was 9, 10 and 11 years old, when TOS came out, I never imagined much more, in terms of movies or spin- offs, so it was enough. then. But as I got older, sure, I hoped for more, series, spin-off, movie, etc. Sure glad they did, too! I am glad Star Trek still lives!
 
It's like how Star Wars doesn't excite me like it does some people. I was 26 when it came out. I'd been watching sci-fi for 18 years by then.
 
I was born the year trek started, so it was off the air before I really even became self-aware. I watched Trek on my living room TV with my dad when I was about 5. However, it really wasn't until Star Wars hit in '77 that I fell in love with science, space and space dramas. Those were the years that things really got into the Zone; from '76 to the early 80s, we had Star Wars, Trek the Movie, Battlestar Galactica, Aliens, and Close Encounters. Not to mention that the whole UFO and UFO abduction thing was really hot too. It all got me thinking, and more specifically, it got me thinking about what's out 'there,' and how we will live in the future. I gobbled up books, comic books, TV and everything else that I found on the subject. Other than football, motorcycles and girls, I lived and breathed Trek and everything else associated with space during my High School years. This was before cell phones, home computers, and Cable TV. Heck, I didn't even have a VCR until I had graduated High School. So, if I wanted to see a show, I had to catch at the time the network was showing it, or I was screwed. And that was fine to me because I had a myriad of other ways to entertain myself.

Today, we have all of this access to everything, any time, any where, and there just seems to be something...soul-less about it, I guess. The new movies are absolutely awesome; great effects, sound...and the acting is good too, but at the same time, not as nice as the original Trek seemed to me in 1972, when I was a kid watching Trek on our 'BIG' 19' TV.

And I think that has much to do with nostalgia. The reason I say that is because everything today seems less awesome to me; amusement parks, pizza, Christmas, shopping malls, TV in general...I just think we tend to think about the past in a way that leaves out the drab, the melancholy and the aggravations that existed then. Things were never as nice as we think them to be later and that may even be true for us 25 years from now when we think about today. I sometimes listen to my mom telling about how she grew up in a house without electricity, and how magical things seemed to her.

To me, Trek is less cerebral than it once was, and at the same time, it is also less fun. I can't put my finger on it because there are many shows in TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT that are every bit as well-developed and written than those from TOS. But it just seems that way to me, and I guess that is, in part, because it's not 1972, and it never will be again. Nostalgia.

I caught my teenage daughter saying that she missed the 'good old days' (which, to her is like 2010 :lol:).

The cycle continues...
That was a thoughtful post! :cool: so it sounds like you're about 2 yrs older than me, at most. Your post sums up my feelings quite nicely also. I was a major TNG fan through college, and drove my friends nuts when I'd try to engage them in conversations about the themes in Trek and how they apply to our life, or current events.

Of course, we had a lot more time for actual conversations back then since we didn't have Internet. Heck,I barely had a functional wordprocessor to type up my term papers. :)
 
I gotta say that if anything i see less TREK on the bookshelves now than I did in the early days of between feature films I mean Pocket books Star Trek section once had almost a whole four foot wide by seven foot tall section in my Waldenbooks and that was for novels alone! conversely, today i was at Barnes and noble (arguably, a much larger store on a square foot basis) and their Star Trek section has barely a full shelf end to end most of the available science fiction is dominated by Doctor Who and Star Wars (Not that I'm knocking either brand mind you)
 
I gotta say that if anything i see less TREK on the bookshelves now than I did in the early days of between feature films I mean Pocket books Star Trek section once had almost a whole four foot wide by seven foot tall section in my Waldenbooks and that was for novels alone! conversely, today i was at Barnes and noble (arguably, a much larger store on a square foot basis) and their Star Trek section has barely a full shelf end to end most of the available science fiction is dominated by Doctor Who and Star Wars (Not that I'm knocking either brand mind you)

Star Trek novels have almost disappeared from the shelves of my local bookstore in Germany, and I live in a town. Star Trek was once bigger here. Not even the new movies did remedy that. Only in the book stores located inside train stations of bigger cities you can find a bigger selection. Much to the chagrin of the German publisher Cross Cult. :sigh:
 
But the novels exist and we know they are just an ebay or booktopia away. They are still being published, there are gazillions of them. Very different than owning all of the Blish series, the Alan Dean Foster series, the Concordance, the Tech manual and SPOCK! MESSIAH!!

New Voyagers was in there somewhere too :lol:

And... that was it. Other than fanzines which you had to go searching for.
 
But the novels exist and we know they are just an ebay or booktopia away. They are still being published, there are gazillions of them.

Or available in used condition on Amazon. And the German publisher has it´s own online shop where to order the novels.
 
I think that just speaks to books in general, and is not necessarily indicative of a lack of interest. More people are seeking their entertainment online, or via e-books. I personally read a lot, though I haven't purchased a physical 'book' in 5 years. Libraries are seeing a reduction in customers, which I hope means that they're reading more e-books vice not reading at all.
 
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