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Redshirts by John Scalzi

Heh.

Yeah, it DOES sound like a homage to ST doesn't it? :D Would have made a interesting canon novel idea too.
 
i used Red Shirts for the title of a series of fan-fic stories about security guards on a colony. and then went totally CSI/Law and Order on it and did 2 other series, one on another colony and one on a ship called Red Shirts: Tellus Prime and Red Shirts: USS Taurus.
 
The first four chapters were available for free on the Kindle a few weeks ago.

They're pretty awesome. :)

Yes, it's clearly Star Trek influenced. And there's a lot of fourth-wall breaking in the first chapter. The thought process of the "redshirt" who gets killed is very self-aware of the reality of the drama that he's in, especially when he "imagines" the courtroom drama that will come when the "Kirk" character is court-martialed over his death.

I think it's going to be a pretty wild book, honestly. :)
 
I loved author's previous Old Man's War books but of recent his sci-fi stuff is rehashes and not of similar quality. Hopefully this one will be better although I have to think it would have been better if it would be a "official" treklit book written by established trek author.
 
I seem to be the only person in the sci-fi community at large that doesn't like Scalzi at all. Like, Old Man's War just seemed like a dumbed down version of a bunch of other better military sci-fi I'd read already. Why bother?

Like Stargate. Never could enjoy Stargate, because why watch the homage when you can actually watch Star Trek?
 
Like Stargate. Never could enjoy Stargate, because why watch the homage when you can actually watch Star Trek?

That's not even remotely fair to Stargate. It's far more than just a Trek homage. It's more of a worthy successor, a rich multiseries SF universe with intricate worldbuilding and strong continuity, and at its best a fair amount of scientific plausibility, at least by TV standards. (Scalzi was actually the science consultant on Stargate Universe, and it had the most credible science of the entire franchise.) Plus it has its own very distinct tone and attitude that's a lot more contemporary and irreverent.
 
Scalzi seems to have gone very "meta" lately. His last novel was a "reimagined" update of H. Beam Piper's Little Fuzzy. Scalzi's Fuzzy Nation was a decent effort, but his updating of the protagonist just turned him into an off-the-shelf Han Solo-esque "antihero." Seriously, that was kinda tired in 1977, when only Harrison Ford's enormous charm salvaged the character for me.

I got more enjoyment out of Wolfgang Diehr's Fuzzy Ergo Sum, a sequel to Piper's three Fuzzy books, despite the fact that it's essentially a nicely published fan fiction (with all the negatives that entails -- middling writing style, wonky plot twists, etc.)

I will say that Wil Wheaton's reading of the Fuzzy Nation audiobook was excellent, even if the book itself was less than thrilling.

I might give Redshirts a try, depending on the reviews.
 
Like Stargate. Never could enjoy Stargate, because why watch the homage when you can actually watch Star Trek?

That's not even remotely fair to Stargate. It's far more than just a Trek homage. It's more of a worthy successor, a rich multiseries SF universe with intricate worldbuilding and strong continuity, and at its best a fair amount of scientific plausibility, at least by TV standards. (Scalzi was actually the science consultant on Stargate Universe, and it had the most credible science of the entire franchise.) Plus it has its own very distinct tone and attitude that's a lot more contemporary and irreverent.

I've watched at least 30 episodes of Stargate, across various seasons and spinoffs, and I've never shaken that feeling. With Universe, it just felt like BSG Junior, just like the original felt like TNG Junior. I dunno, to each his own I suppose.
 
Like Stargate. Never could enjoy Stargate, because why watch the homage when you can actually watch Star Trek?

That's not even remotely fair to Stargate. It's far more than just a Trek homage. It's more of a worthy successor, a rich multiseries SF universe with intricate worldbuilding and strong continuity, and at its best a fair amount of scientific plausibility, at least by TV standards. (Scalzi was actually the science consultant on Stargate Universe, and it had the most credible science of the entire franchise.) Plus it has its own very distinct tone and attitude that's a lot more contemporary and irreverent.

I've watched at least 30 episodes of Stargate, across various seasons and spinoffs, and I've never shaken that feeling. With Universe, it just felt like BSG Junior, just like the original felt like TNG Junior. I dunno, to each his own I suppose.


What do you have against craft villages? ;)
 
Thrawn, you are not alone. I like OMW but like you said it was a variation and simplified version of others. Newer stuff is even more blatant in its' ripoffs of other ideas.
 
Scalzi was GOH at a con here in Minneapolis last spring, where he read the prologue of this book (after swearing the audience to secrecy). I thought it was fantastic, and so did the rest of the room, based on the reaction.

At this point, it did not yet a title -- Scalzi explained that he had one chosen, but it hadn't been officially decided that would be the one used. After the reading, when I got to the head of the autograph line, I told him, "You already have a guaranteed pre-order for your 'redshirts' novel." He looked at me, grinned, and said, "That's the title I hope we use."
 
I seem to be the only person in the sci-fi community at large that doesn't like Scalzi at all. Like, Old Man's War just seemed like a dumbed down version of a bunch of other better military sci-fi I'd read already. Why bother?

Like Stargate. Never could enjoy Stargate, because why watch the homage when you can actually watch Star Trek?

The true joy of Stargate was how self ware they were. It was just a flat out fun show.
 
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