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Red John: The Final Chapter

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Don't know if anyone else is watching, but this is the culmination of a years long arc. Arc's are supposed to be a good thing, right?

To update those who are just vaguely interested (or whose finger just twitched innopportunely, accidentally clicking on the thread,)
Ass-Kicking Bimbo/Quasi-Love Interest for Patrick Jane, having found out that Red John wasn't really her bestie but had killed her sister, dropped the hint to Jane that Jane had actually met Red John, shaking the man's hand. Jane promptly recalled everyone whose hand he had shaken and ruled out everyone who could not be Red John.

He came up with a list of seven names. Two were from Visualize, coming from the old cult connection, Brett Stiles the leader and Ray Haffner the Visualize LE connection. One came from the blind woman on Red John's apparent commute, Sheriff McAllister. Rounding out the list were four LE people, the new medical examiner (who replaced the guy Jane euthanased,) an FBI agent Reed Somebody (I've already forgotten his name again!) pompous CBI boss Gale Bertram and Homeland Security creep Bob Kirkland.

Now we saw Kirkland looking at Jane's list last season. Red John spooked Jane and Lisbon by telling Jane who his seven suspects were (in a mash note.) Red John gave the winnowing process a helping hand by killing the ME. We then hear that Jane has planted a fake list. In last week's episode we see that Bob Kirkland has begun kidnapping, torturing and killing the fake suspects. We also see that Bob believes there is a vast conspiracy, signaled by the phrase "tiger, tiger."

Jane wass kidnapped by Kirkland, who is in pursuit of the real list (and really pissy about the fake list too.) Lisbon rode to the rescue. We see Reed Whozis getting all smarmy with prisoner Kirland, mumbling "tiger, tiger" in a really punk tone of voice. Prisoner Kirkland is then murdered while "attempting to escape." This doesn't fool Our Heroes, but what are they gonna do?

At first glance, this puts Reed in the lead as Red John. Not to mention, he's plump enough that the Red John face is not a bad likeness! Jane doesn't know this, but he thinks that the short list of five is small enough to handle. As in, judging from the previews, kidnapping them all at once. Maybe he's going to try the burying alive bit en masse?

However, Bob Kirkland told Jane that he was after Red John for revenge. His black sheep brother had met a "man," meaning that Red John recruited brother Michael into the Red John Fan Club. In other words, there is an Evil Twin.

The man Michael met could of course have been Brett Stiles, whose Visualize cult taught Red John the nuts and bolts of manipulating people in a cult. Which means that the Evil Twin could be Red John.

What candidates does anyone interested favor? Do we like the Evil Twin possibility? Do we think this arc has gone completely nuts like most do?
 
One way or the other, it just feels right for the show to finally come to a conclusion.
 
This post will have obvious spoilers, so consider yourself warned.

It could be anyone of the suspects. All of a sudden they all seem to whistle, have phobias (the sheriff had a phobia of pigeons, while the other guy had one of spiders)
Brett Stiles is too old to be considered a ‘middle aged man’, so I don’t really see him being Red John. I bet he do know him though.
Anyone else bothered that Jane jumped to the conclusion that Red John has a tattoo? All he knows is that whoever killed the PI had a tattoo. Why did it had to be Red John who killed her?, he could have sent one of his minions. If it was him, why did he not kill her right away or do the trademark smiley? Seems a bit strange that he would leave her just enough alive so she could give away his description.
I hope he’s not the evil twin, but who knows. I’ve read theories that its actually Patrick himself, but that would be jumping the shark big time
 
My theory: none of them. It is instead a big conspiracy with the passphrase "tiger, tiger". Back in season 2 or 3 the boss used the whole line from the poem, so he should be on the list. But in fact Red John is leading Jane & co. to the conspiracy which will fall the the season finale, and the show will in fact run for another season as they finally track down RJ.

:)
 
So Sunday's big Red John episode got preempted for some reason (football running long on the east coast?) and they showed a rerun instead, even though The Good Wife was a new episode. :(

Canada got to see it though, so it's out there to find.
 
So Sunday's big Red John episode got preempted for some reason (football running long on the east coast?) and they showed a rerun instead, even though The Good Wife was a new episode. :(

Canada got to see it though, so it's out there to find.
That sucks :(. What was the name of the episode?

Found one called the Red Tattoo on CBS's site.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/the_mental...5B-F0B3AFE011CC/the-mentalist-the-red-tattoo/

Not sure if it's the one you were looking forward to though.
 
Ah. I see. Just found out that they're airing it this upcoming week. Hopefully it'll air this time and not a rerun.
 
My take is that Stiles and Haffner are definitively out of the running. The blind woman rules out the baldies, which just leaves Reed FBI and Evil Twin. The three dots are membership in Red John's little LE cult/conspiracy/gang. The shotgun blast was likely due to an attempt to take out Jane by one or more of the dotty ones (failed.) The later bomb blast was rigged to dispose of evidence. Jane won't pull a Kirkland and kill all the dotty ones, but if he lets them go, Red John can run. But how can he keep them prisoner?
 
The encrypted list suggests that Bertram is the head of the Blake Association, which actually suggests he is not Red John. Reed Martin's confession, as Jane says, rules him out. Death supposedly rules out Brett Stiles, Ray Haffner and McAllister. Gale Bertram also seemed more concerned to put on his shirt than to finish Jane on scene, but that appears to be scripted luck. A little peeved about that.

I am also a little peeved that Jane gets Stiles and Haffner killed. They may have deserved a jail term, especially Stiles, but they didn't deserve to die. I toyed with thinking Stiles was trying to fake his death as a solution to his legal problems, but the bomb was apparently intended as the mode of escape. Red John could easily have planted false DNA records using the Blake Association, so McAllister isn't defnitively ruled out.

The rule of Chekhov's gun says the Evil Twin has to come on stage. But does he play a red herring or Red John?
 
Can't believe they're finally wrapping up this Red John business. I wasn't expecting that going into the season. A few weeks ago, it looked like things were coming to a head, so I looked online and sure enough, it is. Next week's episode is called "Red John" and then after that it's "My Blue Heaven", the first episode to not have a title with a red theme. I wonder where the show will go after this. All I know so far is that Rigsby and Van Pelt are leaving.
 
I'm guessing that taking down the Blake Association will be the new story arc. Hopefully they don't drag it out way too long like they've done with Red John.
 
The whole Red John stuff just feels hollow because it's evident they didn't even plan on who it was ahead of time.

Speaking of which, what are the odds that Red John is actually one of the supposedly dead suspects?
 
I'm pretty sure that Red John is in the Blake Association, finding the misuse of law enforcement agents quite useful. Red John himself may have killed that PI who told Jane about the three dots. Jane may have been wrong in ruling out a minion, not having the full picture on the Association, but it wasn't a foolish conclusion.
 
I also think that one of the supposedly dead suspects is Red John. Probably planted his DNA on the scene...

For a minute there I thought that Cho would find that Partridge's body had been switched out. But then again, they didn't show his face, and Jane did act weird once he saw that arm. Maybe he realised that the arm couldn't have belonged to him? The press conference and manhunt for Bertram could be to lure Partridge into a false sense of security. But too be honest, I don't really believe that theory. If that was the case, Jane would have asked Cho to look at the face and confirm that the body had been switched out. None of the later scenes indicate that this has been done, so I guess it's one of the other 'dead' suspects.

On another note. This is the first time we've seen Bertram kill anyone right?, he sure wasn't too squirmish about it.
 
I think whoever Red John is could be a dissappointment. After all he is supposed to be equally smart as Jane and once his face is revealed, some viewers will probably be upset and think something like: "Really? That fellow is RJ?" Also, I don't believe that The Powers That Be knew from the beginning who RJ really is. Somehow the RJ story arc reminds me a bit of the X-Files where there was a lot of conspiracy going on that was never explained to satisfaction.

That being said, I find it more interesting if Jane really kills RJ. In all the years he has been hunting him, he was very determined. But as far as character development goes, I think it would really be best if he could let go.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it.
 
I think whoever Red John is could be a dissappointment. After all he is supposed to be equally smart as Jane and once his face is revealed, some viewers will probably be upset and think something like: "Really? That fellow is RJ?" Also, I don't believe that The Powers That Be knew from the beginning who RJ really is. Somehow the RJ story arc reminds me a bit of the X-Files where there was a lot of conspiracy going on that was never explained to satisfaction.

That being said, I find it more interesting if Jane really kills RJ. In all the years he has been hunting him, he was very determined. But as far as character development goes, I think it would really be best if he could let go.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it.

When the final seven names were revealed, it was pretty obvious they never planned out who Red John was. And they definitely didn't plan out the secret society of corrupt California lawmakers and politicians that is what they're hoping to keep the show going post-Red John.

My idea for Red John was that it's a cult where everyone is Red John until they get captured. Then they act like they're Red John's minions to make him out to be more powerful than he really is.

I would've liked it if the Bradley Whitford character had actually killed Jane's family but wasn't THE Red John.
 
When the final seven names were revealed, it was pretty obvious they never planned out who Red John was. And they definitely didn't plan out the secret society of corrupt California lawmakers and politicians that is what they're hoping to keep the show going post-Red John.

Agreed.

My idea for Red John was that it's a cult where everyone is Red John until they get captured. Then they act like they're Red John's minions to make him out to be more powerful than he really is.

I would've liked it if the Bradley Whitford character had actually killed Jane's family but wasn't THE Red John.

That sounds like an interesting concept. You should sign on as a writer :hugegrin: .

I almost forgot. There's a sneak peek for the upcoming episode "Red John":
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FtQwnQC-gEk
 
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