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Re-Watching DS9

I once very crudely and amateuriously spliced together the DS9 stuff into The Best of Both Worlds. I placed the DS9 stuff right after Data's line of "The fleet has engaged the Borg at Wolf 359".
Was it VHS or did you use any NLE software?

However, if you really want the whole story you would have to watch "Regeneration" from Enterprise.;)
Where I am in the re-watch, I'm sticking with 1996 and earlier. I can jump back, but I don't want to jump ahead. :lol: :lol: :lol:

My diplomatic answer to that. :p
 
Talking about 22 (or 26) episodes of anything in one go for a Season Review is always something that feels daunting before I get started, but now it's time for...

Babylon 5 -- The Third Season

Speaking as someone who's watching Babylon 5 for the first time and as someone who's only seen the first three seasons, I feel like the third season is the season where the series really came into focus. Everything's lined up into effectively two coalitions. The Shadows who have Earth and the Centauri under their thumb whether they know it or not one side. The Vorlons who have the Minbari, the Narn resistance, Babylon 5, the Rangers, and aligned worlds on the other side. Even Bester is sort of nominally on Babylon 5's side. Clark is the man I love to hate. Probably even moreso than Morden. Yet Clark has had next-to-no screentime. Clark is a villain who has presence without even being seen! That's how evil he is. Kosh would've preferred to bide time, but Sheridan wanted to bring the fight to the Shadows and Delenn helped him to make that possible. Which now means Babylon 5 and its allies will be able to take the fight to the Shadows on more equal ground. It makes me excited about what's to come rather than feel dread about what the Shadows might destroy them. This was a season that pulled no punches. And Vir got punched a lot! Poor Vir.

The character who had the most growth this season had to be G'Kar. From leading a resistance to not being sure, to continuing because his people wanted him to, to finding out what Londo enabled Morden to do, to finally being accepted into the War Council after finding out what Delenn and Kosh knew and having to come to terms with it. Not only did G'Kar have to face a lot, but he also seems a lot wiser now. As Delenn notes, he really has changed. G'Kar now is almost nothing like the G'Kar from "The Gathering".

The character who I thought had the next most growth was Sheridan. He really came into his own this season. At first, he had to hide everything he was doing. To the point where he had to take precautions when Bester came onboard earlier in the season to prevent him from finding out anything that could undermine their Resistance. Then, by the middle of the season, he took the bold move of having Babylon 5 declare independence from Earth. "We're really in it now." Now, he no longer had anything to hide. On top of that, his relationship with Delenn grew to the point of full-on romance. How much courage he has was put on full display when he stood up to someone in an angry mob. "What I've got is what I got" when he gave the asshole is weapon and left himself essentially unarmed. And standing up to Kosh. That took real courage. Finally, getting to see Sheridan and Sinclair on-screen together. Too bad circumstances didn't allow for more of that. And then Sheridan seeing is wife or, more accurately, what the Shadows did to her. Overall, this season gave Sheridan a lot.

This was also a great season for Delenn. She took on the Gray Council, which was now imbalanced and tilted towards the Warrior Caste, and dissolved it through sheer willpower. Without her, not enough of the Minbari would've aided Sheridan. Without her, they wouldn't have the telepaths needed to be able to fight the Shadows. And without her, Earth forces would've have been driven away from Babylon 5. And that's where she gets to deliver her line, "Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me."

Londo is partially redeemed this season. At the end of last season, I started to hate Londo. In a "love to hate" way, not that I actually hated him. But now he wants nothing to do with Morden and indirectly got rid of Refa, who did want to have something to do with Morden. But then Morden got Londo back on his side after the death of Adira. One step forward, one step back. But least now Londo doesn't look as irredeemable as he used to. Especially when looking at how things unfold in the future where Londo, as an old man, wants to resist the Shadows, and has G'Kar kill him. Interesting to see the context of G'Kar and Londo's fight to the death. The circumstances were something I never could've imagined.

Now that I'm done with the season, it seems to me like Franklin's arc was only there to give Franklin something to do. The stems drive him to the edge, he gets super angry, then he runs off to go find himself. At first, I thought it might be interesting but, by the time it was over I realized it wasn't.

Ivanova and Garibaldi are the steady hands of the season. They continue to do what they do best: Ivanova's a badass First Officer and Garibaldi's a badass Security Chief. Garibaldi doesn't take any crap from Nightwatch.

I thought Marcus was a good addition to the cast. The Rangers needed a face, and that's Marcus. He looks distinct, he has a distinct personality, and he has a great chemistry with Ivanova. I like the "Will they? Won't they?" thing they have going on with them.

Kosh #2 seems like much more of an asshole than Kosh #1. I like having Lyta back and I hope they do more with her next season.

The White Star, have to mention that, is my favorite Babylon 5 ship. Gone too soon! It was an alien ship that felt truly alien. And it's unusual to have such an alien ship as the hero ship in a science-fiction series. So, I'm glad they had it. And I hope they get a replacement next season.

Finally, I loved finding out that Sinclair was really Valen and finding out more about the Shadow War from 1,000 years ago. It really added to the history and the depth of Babylon 5. It's amazing that Babylon 5 feels as fleshed out in only three years as Star Trek which (at the time) had 30.

That covers everything on the macrolevel. Even if I hadn't averaged everything out with a calculator, I already knew this was my favorite season of Babylon 5 out of the first three. And I'm expecting even better with the fourth. This seems to be the type of series that gets better and better with each and every season. Although I know the fifth season isn't as highly regarded. Which means the fourth season should be the pinnacle of Babylon 5. Can't wait to start watching it! No gap this time. I'll be putting it on as soon as next week.

I'll be ordering the TV Movies on DVD or Blu-Ray very soon.
 
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I can't believe we're already here! I'll be watching "Trials and Tribble-ations" tomorrow! I was going to tonight, but I don't have it in me right now. Here's a link to my review for "The Trouble With Tribbles" from November 2024, which I covered in the lead-up to "Blood Oath".

It feels strange to be reviewing a 30th Anniversary Episode during the 60th Anniversary Year. It's really the 30th Anniversary of the 30th Anniversary. Some people might think it's blasphemous to say this, but I don't think '90s Trek looks as dated in the 2020s as '60s Trek looked in the '90s. Given that an equal amount of time has passed from 1996 to 2026 as passed from 1966 to 1996, I can now say this with confidence. Sure, DS9 doesn't look as expensive as Abrams Trek or Kurtzman Trek, but I think the sets, the costumes, and the props could still work today. I wouldn't think "Wow, this looks so old!"

The alien look of Deep Space Nine gives the station a timeless quality, inside and out. The ships all have a timeless look that I think of as just Star Trek. I don't think, "It looks so '90s!!!!" And because DS9 up to this point has largely stuck to model work, I haven't had instances where I've pointed out how much it looks like '90s CGI, like I have with Babylon 5.

In general, I think the creators of TNG, DS9, and VOY wanted them to have a look that said "Star Trek". I'll include the TOS Movies too, since TNG/DS9/VOY was an outgrowth of that overall aesthetic. ENT tried to pivot towards something that was more contemporary, but that made sense since it took place closer to our time.

One of the main points of interest to me about "Trials and Tribble-ations" is comparing the look and feel of Star Trek basically from 1979 to 2005 with the look and feel of TOS, which is unapologetically '60s. An episode like "Trials and Tribble-ations" would never be done today, at least not in live-action, since every time period -- whether it's the 23rd Century, 25th, or 32nd -- is made to look as intentionally contemporary as possible.
 
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Some people might think it's blasphemous to say this, but I don't think '90s Trek looks as dated in the 2020s as '60s Trek looked in the '90s. Given that an equal amount of time has passed from 1996 to 2026 as passed from 1966 to 1996, I can now say this with confidence. Sure, DS9 doesn't look as expensive as Abrams Trek or Kurtzman Trek, but I think the sets, the costumes, and the props could still work today. I wouldn't think "Wow, this looks so old!"
The main set for Starfleet Academy is amazing, but it lacks that sense of place that the promenade had. There is a place to hang out, but not a sense of there being places that have meaning, the sense of an actual geography. I blame that on the photography. Marvin Rush, especially, used the set up to create different views and opportunities. I love all the upper level shots of new people arriving, or the Bajoran soldier blown from the walkway, or the long shots of Kira and Odo kissing, or Sisko surrounded by the Bajorans, waiting for prophecy, in Rapture, ... .
 
"Trials and Tribble-ations"

It was a real treat putting on this episode. To start with there was a tribble purr when I on the menu for this episode on the DVD. That was a nice surprise right off the bat. When the Defiant is thrown back in time and sees the original Enterprise, it looks amazing on the projector. Post-'60s, this was a rare chance to showcase the TOS Enterprise as a physical model instead of CGI and I wish this was how they handled TOS-R if they absolutely had to re-create the shots.

Then, bit-by-bit, the TOS elements were introduced one step at a time, each with all the fanfare it deserves: the DS9 Characters getting into the TOS Uniforms. Sisko & Dax and O'Brien & Bashir going aboard the Enterprise. Worf & Odo on Space Station K-7. The costumes, sets, and props all looked dead-accurate. It was like the DS9 Characters were in an episode of TOS. Which they were. Watching this on a projector, I was especially looking to see how mashing up DS9 with TOS would hold up when looking at it against my entire wall. I can say that it still looks seamless. I'm really impressed with what the technical team was able to pull off.

There's some fun with time-travel tropes: Temporal Investigations asking about pre-destination paradoxes, Bashir thinking he might be his own great-grandfather, and Temporal Investigations (again!) getting worried about the crew participating in historical events.

One such event was the fight that broke out on K-7. Once again, the TOS and DS9 footage blended together seamlessly. And this is something that would be a lot harder to pull off with all the choreography. How Cyrano Jones as able to walk through all that with the glass in his hand and not spill anything over is still impressive. I still feel so bad for the Waitress who has to say "If anyone asks if we have Raktajino one more time... "

Then the Waitress points to the TOS Klingons, Bashir's like, "Those are Klingons?!", everyone turns to Worf, and his answer about the differences is perfect: "They are Klingons and it is a long story." "We do not discuss it with outsiders!" In an episode like this, it's best to leave it there, and go with the flow.

After the fight, the other thing that impressed me was how seamlessly they managed to fit O'Brien and Bashir into the line-up as Kirk was questioning everyone.

And I can't forget to mention the reveal when Kirk and Spock make their entrance into the episode with Sisko and Dax in the background. I wouldn't think this was a composite shot of footage that was filmed three decades apart if I didn't know. That's just the technical end. As Dax is observing how "he's so much more handsome in person", Sisko thinks she's talking about Kirk when she's really talking about Spock. Dax is the stand-in for the fans who loved Spock. Especially female fans. "I grok Spock!" And this is my opening to say that back in the '60s, my mother was also more of a Spock fan.

Dax loves being in this time. "I remember this time, I live in this time, and it's hard not to want to be a part of it again!" That would sum up the episode in general, but there's still a mission to accomplish.

Sisko and the others have to stop Darvin from getting his revenge on Kirk by putting a bomb in a Tribble. Darvin was only a very minor character in "The Trouble with Tribbles" and I think that translates well over in "Trials and Tribble-ations". Darvin is a pathetic man. I don't even think of him as a real Klingon, and not just because he looks Human. But here he is, thinking that the Klingons will make a statue of him for killing Kirk. In your dreams, buddy. Darvin's plan is thwarted and that was never in doubt.

Have to mention the Tribbles. They get everywhere. All over K-7. All over the Enterprise. And all over DS9 at the end of the episode!

The one and only issue I have with this episode, and I didn't think of it until years later is: given how excited Dax was to meet Kirk and Spock, I feel like she should've been the one to get Kirk's autograph. But I get it. Sisko's the star of the show. And luckily, Temporal Investigations didn't see any harm done.

I think I covered everything. If not, I'll mention it later. This is a one-of-a-kind type of episode, it never gets old, and I give it a 10.
 
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And I can't forget to mention the reveal when Kirk and Spock make their entrance into the episode with Sisko and Dax in the background. If wouldn't think this was a composite shot of footage that was filmed three decades apart if I didn't know.
And composited three decades ago! Yeah, the work they did for this episode was fantastic and still holds up. 10/10, agreed.

The one and only issue I have with this episode, and I didn't think of it until years later is: given how excited Dax was to meet Kirk and Spock, I feel like she should've been the one to get Kirk's autograph.
I thought this worked as it's more predictable and obvious if it's Dax who gets the autograph. Sisko's been all business all episode, keeping Dax on track, so it doesn't seem like he's that hyped to be there. So it's a surprise when he's the one to fanboy out when the crisis is over. (Plus yeah, having a meeting between Kirk and Sisko is a bigger deal).
 
"The Trouble with Tribbles" was an episode that fit well with DS9's structure. There's the space station, K-7. There's the bar, which serves the same purpose as Quark's. A fight even breaks out. Even though he doesn't run the bar, Cyrano Jones is like Quark and is the lovable rogue up to no good. Koloth, who's even been on DS9, shows up on K-7, even though he's not seen in "Trials and Tribble-ations".

Even where the Klingon/Federation relations are at isn't exactly the same but similar enough: there was a brief war and then a ceasefire. The circumstances were very different, but the broad strokes are there.

And it makes sense that Sisko wanted to ask Kirk about fighting the Gorn on Cestus III, since Kassidy told him about how they play baseball there.

I knew there was more! :angel:
 
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Sisko and the others have to stop Darvin from getting his revenge on Kirk by putting a bomb in a Tribble. Darvin was only a very minor character in "The Trouble with Tribbles" and I think that translates well over in "Trials and Tribble-ations". Darvin is a pathetic man. I don't even think of him as a real Klingon, and not just because he looks Human. But here he is, thinking that the Klingons will make a statue of him for killing Kirk. In your dreams, buddy. Darvin's plan is thwarted and that was never in doubt.
Yes, I agree about everything, especially Darvin. Killing someone by planting a bomb? That sounds like a downright Romulan thing to do! Even if it worked, that's not how you get a statue in the Hall of Heroes.

Wonderful episode.
 
The one and only issue I have with this episode, and I didn't think of it until years later is: given how excited Dax was to meet Kirk and Spock, I feel like she should've been the one to get Kirk's autograph. But I get it. Sisko's the star of the show. And luckily, Temporal Investigations didn't see any harm done.

The idea is that doing that was so irresistible that even Sisko can't help but give into the temptation. Also, it's a chance he'll never get again.
 
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I can't believe the next episode is "Let He Who Is Without Sin". Talk about whiplash. I literally haven't seen that episode since 1996, age 17, original airdate. Once and only once. It left that bad of an impression on me. It'll be interesting to see what I'll think of it now. But when even Ira Steven Behr admits they messed up, it doesn't look good. I'll be surprised if I give it any higher than a 3.

But first things first. Coming up immediately next is the first episode of Babylon 5 Season 4. After I fix up something to eat and get myself situated. Looking forward to it! There's always a real thrill that comes with a Season Premiere of something you're watching for the first time.
 
Just finished watching B5 Season 4 Episode 1. And I'm not using a Spoiler Box because this is Spoiler-Free. Good episode but it's completely devoted to setup. As such, I'm going to hold off on reviewing it until I've watched Episode 2 and then I'll review both together.

I didn't think there'd be a B5 Intro that I'd like better than Season 3's, but I actually like the Sesaon 4 Intro a little bit better. It doesn't feel as moody, but it does have a focused "go get 'em" energy to it that I like. If I had to rank the intros: it would go 4, 3, 1, 2. Intros only.
 
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I didn't think there'd be a B5 Intro that I'd like better than the Season 3's, but I actually like the Sesaon 4 Intro a little bit better. It doesn't feel as moody, but it does have a focused "go get 'em" energy to it that I like. If I had to rank the intros: it would go 4, 3, 1, 2. Intros only.
One thing I really appreciate about Babylon 5 is that they change the music every year to suit the different phases of the story. The first season theme is nice enough, though not too exciting, because that year is setup. By season 3 the music has gotten really bleak, with barely any of the B5 theme in there and just a hint of hope. And then season 4's theme has a 'enough of this, we have to do something' energy to it.
 
Just read the "Trials" review, and your opinion was kind of what I was expecting in that pretty much everyone agrees that episode is amazing. :)

I will say that if you want to see an
 
If I want to see a what? ;)
That was...weird...

If you want to see a surprisingly compelling take on Darvin and "What if Darvin's plan had succeeded?", you should read the short story/novella "Honor in the Night", which was published in the Myriad Universes book Shattered Light. I was pretty dubious when I read the premise, but the execution is fantastic.
 
Even more setup, but it looks like we're finally getting somewhere, so...

"The Hour of the Wolf" & "Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?" (B5 S4E1-E2)

Both of these episodes are looking at where all the Babylon 5 characters are in the aftermath of Season 3. With some of them, I can already imagine the path they'll be going on as Season 4 progresses. The others, not quite yet.

Sheridan - Stuck in a sort of limbo with The First One, a.k.a. Lorien, making it further in Z'ha'dum than anyone else ever has. And he has to learn to let go of death or the fear of death? I'm guessing Lorien wants to make Sheridan fearless, truly like a Fearless Leader. Interesting that a little bit of Kosh, the real Kosh, told Sheridan to jump at the end of last season, and save his life... even though he's in limbo.

Ivanova - Trying to run Babylon 5, but in despair because Sheridan is dead and because she isn't able to keep the League of Non-Aligned Worlds together.

Delenn - Still in despair over what she believes to be the death of Sheridan. I loved the scene of her watching the recording of Sheridan talking about how much he loves her.

Garibaldi - Someone has him. I have no idea who. But he's going crazy in there.

Londo & G'Kar - G'Kar goes looking for Garibaldi, and looks in every shady place imaginable, turns away Marcus' help, then gets captured by the Centauri, and his put in a cell. He's to be entertainment for Emperor Cartagia.

Interesting development that I didn't see coming but makes total sense: Londo wants G'Kar to help him overthrow Cartagia, and in exchange Londo will set the Narn home world free.

Morden - He looks hideous, all burned and disfigured and all. But his appearance now matches his personality.

Cartagia - I have to agree with Londo: his hair is way too short. The Centauri style on hair that short just looks stupid. Grow it out. That's right. All I have to say about him is his hair. That and I can't wait for him to be deposed.

This is still all set up, but at least now I feel like the board has been set by the end of "Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?", whereas with "The Hour of the Wolf", it felt like it was only half-done. Not that I blame "The Hour of the Wolf". There was simply too much story to cover for it all to be done in one episode.

I feel like these two episodes are the most ambitious way Babylon 5 has started a season. At least in scale, if nothing else. It'll be interesting to see what the next episode brings.

Still no rating. Even though I think we got somewhere, we're still not there there. I'll know it when I see it. Then I'll retroactively rate these episodes.
 
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Risa wishes it had The Pleasure Principle, but it doesn't. Sorry, Riker!

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Ripping off the band-aid and diving into "Let He Who Is Without Sin" tomorrow. Wait a minute, this is "tomorrow"! I mean today, sometime after I wake up. Wish me luck.

I'm not bothering with the projector. :p
 
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