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Re-edited ST 5

garoo1980

Lieutenant Commander
Red Shirt
I always thought there was potential in that movie but something was off, like maybe a novice director made some newbie mistakes or something

Maybe I dreamed it but I was sure I read years ago that someone had re-edited ST 5. I thought it could be made into a descent movie with a bit better editing. Anyone know about this? Thanks!
 
Haha, thanks

Oh I noticed after, sorry about that. Can I move this thread or do I need Q like powers to do that?
 
I've seen one re-edit of STV on YouTube, but I have to say I don't think it really improved anything. A few nips and tucks got rid of some of the stupider bits, but the whole was still what it was. For better or for worse. ;)

The trouble is that whatever merits Shatner's concept had, they were whittled away long before it went in front of the cameras. There's really very little wiggle room left for a re-edit.
 
Years ago, shoot, it had to be at least twenty, because I know this predated Deep Space Nine, I wondered how The Final Frontier could be rewritten enough to "purge" the weaker aspects, but retain as much of the original concepts as possible. Alas, this could not be achieved through an edit of the existing footage. This would have required work at the story proposal stage. I'll try to keep this short.

Sybok overtakes Nimbus III as before. StarFleet requests the Enterprise to handle the situation, not because it's the "only ship around" but because Spock is still associated with the ship and SF believes he may serve as the best negotiator. The ship arrives and Spock along with a task force attempt to meet with the vogue Vulcan. Sybok seems earnest, but some of his followers panic and a firefight ensues. However, in this version the task force wins and Sybok and his ilk board the ship in custody.

Spock questions Sybok and eventually approaches Kirk with a seemingly ludicrous proposal, journey to the center of the galaxy to search for a mythical world. Kirk fears Spock have have been swayed by Sybok's charisma since travel time to the core of the galaxy would take decades at sustained warp. Spock has reservations such a planet as Sybok describes exists, but he's willing to entertain the notion because his half brother has provided formulaic proof how the travel time can be reduced to mere weeks. Sybok has discovered a "pattern" to seemingly random wormholes opening "shortcuts" to the galactic core. Spock runs the numbers and they add up. Even if Shakka'Ree itself is a myth, the opportunity for exploration compels Spock to listen. And Kirk trusts Spock. Normally, Kirk would let StarFleet send a ship when reasonably convenient, but the next "opening" is only days away and another won't appear for decades. Kirk takes the initiative and takes the Enterprise to the coordinates.

The rift appears as Sybok predicts. But Kirk doesn't order the ship to enter just yet. Though Sybok has been proven right so far, Kirk still has his reservations. So he takes a vote to see if his crew is willing to risk it. The majority agree and those who decline are shuttled to a reserve vessel that has rendevoused with the Enterprise. With the consenting crew remaining, the ship enters the wormhole.

The Enterprise exists the wormhole and scans indicate has traveled some 30,000 lightyears. And after some conventional warp travel, they encounter a system. Sybok is certain this is the mythical world. Indeed, the crew sense "something" down there, an overwhelming "presence". As Sybok has been right so far, Kirk admits he is due the chance for first contact.

At this point my memory get a bit foggy. I know I describe a landing party visit the planet and Sybok perceives he has met "G*d". Maybe his innate charisma and telepathic prowess influences what others "see". But the odd thing is, they see what Sybok sees, regardless of their personal philosophies. Kirk and his trusted bridge crew question why don't they see "G*d" according to their faiths, if they have any. Spock tries to mindmeld through the telepathic "chaff" and see "G*d" for what it really is. Neither "G*d", nor Satan, it's just a mindless but incredibly powerful "presence". Whatever intelligence it seemingly has is but a "reflection" of Sybok's ego. Spock presents Sybok with these facts which tragically shatters what sanity Sybok still has. Worse, the "presence" begins to reflect Sybok's spiraling madness, revealing his primitive "id" and all "hell" breaks loose. (This presents the opportunity to showcase some Lovecraftian nightmares the crew must combat, rock men, gargoyles, what have you.) Realizing Sybok is the catalyst, Spock "links" with him, searching for any hint of sanity. He succeeds and Sybok realizes this "feedback loop" can be stopped only one way. He takes his own life, despite strangely enough, Spock arguing against it. But the "demons" don't vanish as expected. The "presence" is still reflecting the fear and confusion of the crew. Spock having the most dispassionate personality is able to banish his "demons" and searches out to Kirk and McCoy to do the same. Like a ripple in a pond, the bridge crew look upon the "triad" as they overcome their "nightmares" and are given hope and the inner strength to do the same. Others see them do it and the process radiates throughout the crew until all the "monsters" go away.

Discovering thw wormhole will soon collapse, the Enterprise starts the return "home". The crew reflect upon their experience, realizing how their fears and insecurities were made "real" for others to see. But they take comfort they were there for each other during the worst of the ordeal. Kirk and McCoy note that Spock is even more quiet than usual. Spock grieves he was unable to save his brother's "katra", that Sybok mentally pushed him away reasoning if any part of him remained, the mental "feedback" would not, could not stop. The trio reflect upon the definition of "family" and admit that the ties of friendship can sometimes be far stronger than "blood".

Sincerely,

Bill
 
^^^^^^Speaking as someone who genuinely enjoyed TFF, flaws and all, this would have been such a stronger film. If only...
 
Thank you! That's very kind! The fact you liked the movie and yet not bothered by my suggested changes means a lot!

The biggest changes (beyond not knowing how to insert the Klingons) is that Sybok does not take over the ship and the voyage to Shakka Ree (or however it's spelled) is voluntary. No one is tricked or coerced. I thought that helped promote the "philosophy" stated in the opening credits monologue, "to boldly go," not "hijacked". Also, introducing a wormhole serves a couple of purposes. One, it circumvents the nagging question of "how'd they get to the center of the galaxy so fast?" Two, by having Sybok predict its appearance through science helps convince Kirk and crew consider, "maybe he's on to something!"

I will admit I was somewhat influenced by the novel "The Wounded Sky" by proposing some "primordial presence". I just liked the idea this "thing" is neither good nor evil, it's just there and merely "reflects" and amplifies what one "wants" to see. Sybok's charisma, "passion", ego and a very strong telepathic ability causes him without intentional malice to overwhelm the perceptions of the others. But when Spock shows him the reality, it is too much for him. When the chaos is unleashed, Sybok is, in a way, like Morbius of "Forbidden Planet" when the "monster from his id" escapes.

I'm sure someone will post something akin to, "your idea sucks worse than Shatner's material," but it's nice to see the first response was favorable. Again, thank you!

Sincerely,

Bill
 
I think the technobabble wormhole stuff you suggest is silly because from a narrative standpoint it's easier to relocate "God" than make magical shortcuts across space. Furthermore, Kirk takes a "vote"? This from Captain "Risk is our business?" Nah.

The interesting germ in this story was always the idea of the crew facing a religious fanatic. The moment decision was made to make it literally "The Search for God" they created a no-win scenario for themselves, and no amount if fudging the hows and whys is going to fix that.
 
I saw one edit where new cgi fx for the shuttlecraft was added. However, whenever the Enterprise goes into warp, the cgi shot is the same as the old shot. Camera angle and all. :wtf:
 
Redfern, I also enjoy TFF as it is, but your version of events is interesting and I like it. Although, I also don't think Kirk would waste time on a vote. The best thing about your version is actually the ABSENCE of the Klingons. I have always felt that their presence in TFF was out of place and, frankly, unnecessary...even though they provided a means for the very cool scene in which Sulu crash lands the shuttlecraft.

Overall, I agree that if one doesn't like TFF at all, re-editing without re-writing will do nothing to improve one's opinion.
 
I included the "vote" because Kirk did something similar in "Return to Tomorrow" when Sargon wanted to board the ship along with Losira and Henoch. He believed presenting the trio to the Federation could so profoundly alter society that no single person should make that decision on his own. You know, the famous (infamous) "Risk is our business..." speech. Remember, he said, "I could order this, but I won't..."

I can understand people saying Kirk wouldn't take a vote, and you're probably right, certainly Kirk as played, written and directed by Shatner would not bother consulting anybody save possibly Spock and McCoy. I just wanted to illustrate I was not simply pulling this idea outa' my a$$. There is a precident.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
I included the "vote" because Kirk did something similar in "Return to Tomorrow" when Sargon wanted to board the ship along with Losira and Henoch. He believed presenting the trio to the Federation could so profoundly alter society that no single person should make that decision on his own. You know, the famous (infamous) "Risk is our business..." speech. Remember, he said, "I could order this, but I won't..."

I can understand people saying Kirk wouldn't take a vote, and you're probably right, certainly Kirk as played, written and directed by Shatner would not bother consulting anybody save possibly Spock and McCoy. I just wanted to illustrate I was not simply pulling this idea outa' my a$$. There is a precident.

Sincerely,

Bill

I stand corrected, there IS a precident! I think we can all agree that Kirk as played, written and directed by Shatner would prefer to be a one man show. LoL
 
I haven't seen TFF since I was probably 10, and I loved it back then. It wasn't until years later reading reviews and analyses of it that I realized how full of silliness it was.

Redfern, I like your pitch on the story, though the concept of an out-of-control id reminds me of Forbidden Planet.

Also, even if Kirk did take a crew vote to go on the mission, I can't imagine any of them saying no. That just wouldn't be in the good ol' Starfleet spirit.
 
I included the "vote" because Kirk did something similar in "Return to Tomorrow" when Sargon wanted to board the ship along with Losira and Henoch. He believed presenting the trio to the Federation could so profoundly alter society that no single person should make that decision on his own. You know, the famous (infamous) "Risk is our business..." speech. Remember, he said, "I could order this, but I won't..."

I can understand people saying Kirk wouldn't take a vote, and you're probably right, certainly Kirk as played, written and directed by Shatner would not bother consulting anybody save possibly Spock and McCoy. I just wanted to illustrate I was not simply pulling this idea outa' my a$$. There is a precident.

Sincerely,

Bill
Except that's not the same thing. In Return to Tomorrow he's specifically taking about having crewmembers let aliens take over their bodies and dislocate they consciences into holding devices. And that's two crewmembers taking personal risks. Asking the whole crew of the ship to vote is an entirely different animal.
 
You're right. I confused her name with that of the "projection" featured in "That Which Survives".

Sincerely,

Bill
 
In Roddenberry's novelization of TMP, after the briefing where the crew saw the destruction of the Epsilon station, Kirk gave the crew the chance to opt out of the mission, and was happy that most of them stayed.

So, a precedent of sorts.

:)
 
I toy with a Trek V rewrite myself, but generally keeping the story the same as it was. Just making certain things logical, make the humor less humiliating and more organic. Giving the crew a logical reason to rebel instead of the treason which is glossed over. Etc.

The Klingon situation is easy enough, if they're kept. While the Romulans don't give a crap about Nimbus 3 and ignore the hostage situation, the Klingons are incensed that anyone would have the balls to take a Klingon hostage. They are also pissed Koord didn't 1) kill his captors or 2) himself rather than submit to capture. So they send out a BoP to respond to this dishonor. One they arrive, they spot the Enterprise. Klaa gives chase for two reasons. First, the Koord situation and second "there will be no peace as long as Kirk lives." Klaa doesn't care about peace, he just wants to get his two giant whales.

I included the "vote" because Kirk did something similar in "Return to Tomorrow" when Sargon wanted to board the ship along with Losira and Henoch.

I can understand people saying Kirk wouldn't take a vote, and you're probably right, certainly Kirk as played, written and directed by Shatner would not bother consulting anybody save possibly Spock and McCoy.

I like the idea of a pause before stepping into the abyss, but Kirk should not be the one to hesitate. I'd make McCoy the one to say something about the risk for the crew. Kirk and McCoy have a quick discussion, ending with Kirk saying "Bones, I shouldn't have to remind you that this is the reason we're out here. If we shy away from seeking out new life, we might as well go home." Kirk then turns and gives the order.

And look how awesome that makes Kirk.
 
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