R.I.P. Harry Kim 2372
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Really? I prefer to think that Harry, Naomi, Anika and the Equinox 5 were the only crew to make it back... Actually the duplication process of the spacial scission created two equally unreal copies of the original Voyager which was demolished in the process... So everyone died before the Vidiians had a go at them.
I think I took the opposite tac the last time this argument came up. I must have grown?
I think I took the opposite tac the last time this argument came up. I must have grown?
That even was no more significant than a billion other timeline-split events that occured every single day. The only difference was that those two timelines remained linked when they normally don't.
The novel Echoes used that story to great advantage, actually. When all the parallel universes would become visible like a hall of mirrors, only every other planet had a Voyager over it.
The novel Echoes used that story to great advantage, actually. When all the parallel universes would become visible like a hall of mirrors, only every other planet had a Voyager over it.
Oh no, not from another time line at all according to the episode, though if I recall from last time, the author of the book didn't understand that to be the truth at all. it was a quantum doubling process. Both crews and ships where invented in the same universe/timeline... Otherwise there wouldn't have been an issue about sharing the antimatter which wasn't duplicated (or triplicated if what I said in the beginning holds water.).
I'm not convinced there's a difference. Two versions go off in different directions. Call it a mirror universe, and alternate timeline, a "quantum doubling".....it's really all the same thing.
All we know is that this time it didn't happen "normally", and some key portions remained linked. It's as much about what didn't happen as what did.
All we know is that this time it didn't happen "normally", and some key portions remained linked. It's as much about what didn't happen as what did.
well someone from a mirror universe is born and lives their life. If at some point they crossover, they are a person in their own right, meeting people in their own right. This was like cutting a worm in half and both halves live thinking they're the original and complete worm.
Harry and Naomi were a different worm end than the rest of their worm end crew, not to unlike what would have happened if Janeway had met those Quicksilver being who had forgotten their origins and stole hers.
Infinite Monkeys with typewriters vs a printing press.
Harry and Naomi were a different worm end than the rest of their worm end crew, not to unlike what would have happened if Janeway had met those Quicksilver being who had forgotten their origins and stole hers.
Infinite Monkeys with typewriters vs a printing press.
I think that the Harry and Naomi on the Voyager that made it to Earth are the only 'real' crew. But, my mind only sees it that way because we, the audience, were watching Harry's Voyager throughout the episode.
I'm inclined to agree with Guy here, actually.
I'm inclined to agree with Guy here, actually.
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There is no Harry Kim. There is no Earth.
I don't think so. Is Tom Riker, for example, evidence of a MU or alternate timeline? No, just a transporter accident. Same story here, only now the results of the duplication are absolutely identical (and much less time has elapsed).
The Harry Kim who survived, has just as much claim to being the original as did the one who died. Before "Deadlock", they were one.
Bah. it's like copying keys. Can't tell which one was the original.
Sometimes I feel sorry for Harry. Always the whipping boy in the series. Now he's accused for being dead too!
As for the "duplicate Harry" thing, I would have loved to see a homecoming scene with Harry meeting his parents singing the Joan Jett song "Cherry Bomb" with altered lyrics, such as:
"Hello Dad, Hello Mum, I'm your d-d-d-d-duplicate son!"
Now that could have been funny!
As for the "duplicate Harry" thing, I would have loved to see a homecoming scene with Harry meeting his parents singing the Joan Jett song "Cherry Bomb" with altered lyrics, such as:
"Hello Dad, Hello Mum, I'm your d-d-d-d-duplicate son!"
Now that could have been funny!
I think that honor befell Chakotay long ago in this forum.Sometimes I feel sorry for Harry. Always the whipping boy in the series. Now he's accused for being dead too!
That's if he even returned to the Right time Stream in Non Sequitor and there weren't infinite Harry Kim's returning to infinite wrong time streams and not always just the one of them in the same Time Stream or at all...
God was shuffling his Kims.
God was shuffling his Kims.
He shuffled from life to life, putting right what once went wrong, hoping that each shuffle... would be the shuffle home...
Technically this whole thread could be applied to O'Brien in DS9 after Visionary. Also, he'd lived another life in a prison with implanted memories AND been duplicated by an evil android from the planet Zargon...
The original Harry, assuming the new Harry isn't the original Harry, Harry Prime if you will, died briefly in Emanations. So, where does that leave us?
I put it to you that O'Brien and Kim are in fact the same person.
You need to wash your brain out with soap.
Miles was awesome.
Miles was indespensible, and Kim was just an inexpensive alternative for a turkey if the replicators break down over Christmas. Similar things may have happened to the two of them but with miles it was all tragic and unfortunate and with Kim, well, his pain was a bit of a laugh.
Miles was awesome.
Miles was indespensible, and Kim was just an inexpensive alternative for a turkey if the replicators break down over Christmas. Similar things may have happened to the two of them but with miles it was all tragic and unfortunate and with Kim, well, his pain was a bit of a laugh.
Except in "Timeless", of course.
He retired as an Ensign, and lived out his last days in a small shuttle listening to Chakotay have sex with some half even Kim's age... I found that hilarious. It was just gravy that after leading a wasted unfruitful life crying over spilt milk that Kim turns into a super villain that destroys the universe.
What a selfish prick.
Geordie should have killed him faster.
What a selfish prick.
Geordie should have killed him faster.
