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Quinto: Reimagining, not re-creation, is fearlessly creative

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"J.J., Damon, Bryan, Bob, Alex, and and all the people putting it together, they are so fearlessly creative and they are so capable of manifesting their imagination and bringing it to bear - that it's going to have with it a real sense of independence. It's re-imagining but not re-creating, and there's a difference. [...] The nice thing is that all of the incarnations of Star Trek have been quiet for a few years, and so in that gap there is a lot of potential for a re-emergence."

Happy holidays!
 
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I'm convinced that this is Shatner's fault. If he hadn't gone back in time and ate his younger self, he would still be thin enough to play Kirk. Shit, these actors and their unique genes! Now all we have is Santa-Shat. He got fat because he hates the fans.

By the way, I looked up 're-imagining' and 're-creating' in the dictionary and by gum...Quito is correct: they are indeed two different words. I must say this shocks me. Indeed, it may be that they are not using the cardboard rocks from 1969 in this film.

Fuck them I say. Here I was expecting, indeed HOPING that Abrams would not be creative. I was hoping he would leave creativity to Gene 'the rock' Roddenberry, who as we all are aware, INVENTED creativity. That Abrams would attempt creativity is indeed an INSULT to we TRUE FANS of Star Trek.

I notice he called Star Trek 'quiet' which is a uber polite term for 'Dead'. He says that Because it is Dead, it can now re-emerge. Sort of like Nimoy. Oh wait, he wasn't dead. Just 'quiet'.

Pardon.

My brain apparently just rebooted. Ignore everything I just said.
 
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Quinto is a jackass, just like his boss Abrams.
 
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Thanks for you very mature comments. :rolleyes:
 
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Okay, here's a question for everyone:

Why is whether or not it's a reboot/ reimagining/ etc so important? Can't we all be happy we're at least getting more Trek? Personaly, I'm excited to see it where ever it fits into cannon or the timeline.
 
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snowman1701 said:
Okay, here's a question for everyone:

Why is whether or not it's a reboot/ reimagining/ etc so important? Can't we all be happy we're at least getting more Trek? Personaly, I'm excited to see it where ever it fits into cannon or the timeline.
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I dunno, ask the folks who are posting pics of Quinto/Pine in TOS uniforms on the TOS bridge why they think it's important to spread that imagery. Ask them why they demand cameos by Finnegan or a Gorn. We need outsiders to be interested in Trek, not just insiders. Face it, there are positive and negative Trekkies. Ones who enjoy the product, and ones who find anything to cry about. Yes, I literally mean cry. "Kirk's Enterprise was the first Enterprise! Ooooowahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" or "They changed the date of the Eugenics War! OOoooOooOwahhhhH!!!!!" And then there's positive Trekkies, who can either take it or leave it, but they don't dwell on the parts they didn't like, as if they can change anything. Trust me, Trekkies have little to no influence in Star Trek anymore. The money they bring to the table is nothing. Why would you sell a product to a niche market when you can target everyone? It's like, "Welcome to CFFEOE, THE COFFEE SHOP CHAIN JUST FOR DYSLEXIC PEOPLE." That would fail horrendously. A Starfleet Academy style fanwank borderline-Shatnerverse production would fail just as easily. Although I'm a fan of Voyager and a die hard NX Enterprise fan, I sort of wish TNG would have started in 1984, ending in 1988, with DS9 starting around 1987, ending in 1991. That way by now we'd have a huge 16 year gap and everyone would demand new Star Trek, fan or not.

Unfortunately there was no great interregnum, so the sacrificial lambs must be the stubborn fans who aren't willing to bend a little and enjoy the flick.

Love it or hate it, a re-imagination, re-boot, whatever, is really a crowbar. A crowbar, you ask? Yes, a crowbar. It will pry the spikes and nails from the coffin that Star Trek rests in. A re-creation, prequel, or re-visitation would be another nail in the coffin. Don't think about it from a fan perspective. Think about it from the perspective of mainstream success in theaters.
 
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Matt said:
We need outsiders to be interested in Trek, not just insiders.
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Why? I want it made just for me. Screw the rest of you.

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On the subject of Kirk, what could Shatner offer the film?

Nimoy is a sage-like figure. I can see him as "Old dying Spock" smiling and telling a story about his youth easier than I see Shatner reprising his role that he last played correctly in "Turnabout Intruder." Look at Nimoy through the movies. He IS Spock. Shatner, on the other hand, only seemed like Kirk a few times.

1. When he wasn't being a total jerk to everyone during TMP.
2. Star Trek V (Face it, although it's a bad movie, Kirk is pretty much like TOS Kirk during the whole thing.)
3. Parts of Star Trek VI.
4. The edited out orbital sky diving scene in Star Trek VII.

I mean seriously... Compare one of the defining lines of Star Trek:

"Risk... Risk is our business. That's what this starship is all about. That's why we're aboard her!"

to

"First, move us within transporter range and beam those people to the Enterprise. Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair. And second, turn that damned thing off."

Ugh.

It'd be nearly impossible for Shatner to recapture what he did during TOS. Nimoy, on the other hand, really is Spock.
 
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Matt said:
Nimoy, on the other hand, really is Spock.
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I'm excited. I love Star Trek, I love TOS and I love Lost, in that order.
 
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Matt said:
I dunno, ask the folks who are posting pics of Quinto/Pine in TOS uniforms on the TOS bridge...
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It's fun, and it would be pretty immature of anyone to be troubled by it.
 
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:lol: I love this place. A little bit of everything! :guffaw:
 
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snowman1701 said:
Okay, here's a question for everyone:

Why is whether or not it's a reboot/ reimagining/ etc so important?
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Because some people have tied up their self worth in which it will be, so they can proclaim themselves the coolest nerd ever if they turn out to be right.

Of course, everyone hates dumb-asses that do that, but I guess there's an award for biggest loser too, and some people want it very badly.
 
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Matt said:
http://trekweb.com/articles/2007/12/24/Z...Character.shtml <- A hyperlink for your world wide web HTML page browsers and terminal softwares.

"J.J., Damon, Bryan, Bob, Alex, and and all the people putting it together, they are so fearlessly creative and they are so capable of manifesting their imagination and bringing it to bear - that it's going to have with it a real sense of independence. It's re-imagining but not re-creating, and there's a difference. [...] The nice thing is that all of the incarnations of Star Trek have been quiet for a few years, and so in that gap there is a lot of potential for a re-emergence."

Happy holidays!
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I'm really curious what your psychiatrist has to say about this obsessive thing you've got regarding this. Sheesh. Honestly, you HAVE to realize this obsession with going around taking every tidbit that you think MIGHT support your "claims" and harping over it incessantly... well, it's not really the sign of a balanced personality.
 
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Matt said:
We need outsiders to be interested in Trek, not just insiders.
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Well I agree with you there, and so apparently does the studio and those making this film. Though everything they've said indicates they're seeking to make it interesting and understandable to outsiders (yet still in continuity...)

There is way to much "I don't care about getting new Trek fans if they can't like it on my terms" feeling going around sometimes as well.

At the moment I don't care if its a reboot/redo/completely different - I just want it to be good, fun - not boring and EPIC.

Sharr
 
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