Questions from "Everybody Loves Hugo"

[propita]

First off, kinda nice to learn that alt-Hugo worked hard for his riches. Good for him!

Okay, now some questions, some of which people may know the actual answer, most are "What do you think?"

- Did Des ever learn that Locke had died? Was it mentioned in the pendulum room in front of him or did Eloise say it only to Jack that Jack should bring Locke with?

- If Des knew Locke was dead, why was Des not afraid of FLocke? Most people would be afraid of meeting someone apparently living whom they know to be dead. But then this is "Craphole Island."

- Des said he knew who the guy was, that he was "John Locke." Why did that surprise FLocke?

- If Des did not know Locke was dead, why should FLocke think he would be afraid of a man he thinks is (alive and well) Locke--last time they saw each other was on the island and both were alive--and Des has already seen Jin (you'd think he'd be surprised that JIN was alive after being told the freighter blew up by the "surviving 6")?

- Why was FLocke surprised Des was not afraid of FLocke? FLocke really had no way of knowing what Des knew or did not know about Locke.

- Who is this boy following FLocke (I'm betting Jacob)? Is he getting older? Why is Locke afraid of him (cause that smirk on the boy's face was pretty good)?

- Why was FLocke not surprised that another person could see the boy? He wasn't surprised when Richard could not see him but was pretty surprised when Sawyer could. Is this part of the "rules"?

- Is Michael really "impartial"? Last time we saw him alive, he was obeying Christian--who is "friends" with loony-Claire. Sounds more like Michael is working for MiB/FLocke--which would mean blowing up the plane was a good idea and Hurley's being misled.

- Christian is NOT MiB, right? Claire refers to them as two separate entities, though she's crazy. But Christian appeared both on the freighter and at Jack's apartment. Are these the same Christians? If Christian were MiB, couldn't he have taken the freighter away from the island? And being at Jack's apartment would be a definite "off the island" thing.

Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[label]

- Des said he knew who the guy was, that he was "John Locke." Why did that surprise FLocke?

Perhaps the big reveal is that who we think is the MIB is someone else and some how that really is John Locke.....how big a twist would that be?

Is Michael really "impartial"? Last time we saw him alive, he was obeying Christian--who is "friends" with loony-Claire. Sounds more like Michael is working for MiB/FLocke--which would mean blowing up the plane was a good idea and Hurley's being misled.

At this point what does Michael have to gain by misleading anyone? Assuming that is actually Michael - and I have no reason to believe it wasn't given his sincere apology at the end - I suspect Michael is telling the truth.

 

[Kelso]

- Des said he knew who the guy was, that he was "John Locke." Why did that surprise FLocke?

My first thought was that the smoke monster has always been John Locke (however the hell that might work) or that Locke is still in there somehow.

 

[propita]

- Des said he knew who the guy was, that he was "John Locke." Why did that surprise FLocke?

My first thought was that the smoke monster has always been John Locke (however the hell that might work) or that Locke is still in there somehow.

That would fit with the idea that that first time Locke met Smokey (he looked into the hear of the island and it was beautiful--or something like that), he became Smokey or promised to Smokey or whatever. So grateful for being able to walk that he gave in, just like Richard originally did. But I don't really buy this, it just doesn't fit right with what we know about Locke.

 

[chrisspringob]

Maybe MiB is actually Locke from the alt-universe. Maybe something happens to him in the alt-universe, that leads to him traveling back in time to the past of the prime universe, where he becomes the Smoke Monster. Then when Locke Prime finally dies and his body is returned to the Island on the Ajira flight, MiB is once again able to retake his original form (John Locke). This could all have something to do with MiB's statement to Richard that Jacob "stole his body".

OK, probably not. That's probably too convoluted.

 

[Mojochi]

I don't think Desmond is afraid of anything anymore. He's got some insight now, though it is possible he's unaware that Flocke is not Locke

 

[trekkiebaggio]

Does alt-Desmond remember more of the prime universe?

I only ask because whilst being quizzed by Ben in the car he says he has a son called Charlie. Could just be a co-incidence because he had just met a Charlie.


I think Micheal could be working for MIB or at least made a mistake. MIB wanted all the candidates together and now he has them (well except Jin). I don't think dead people are as reliable as Hurley claimed.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I feel like Desmond does remember more. I feel like the Desmonds of both universes are connected. The one in the alt universe is driven to do something and the one in this universe is content with whatever happens because he knows his alt universe self is acting to solve things.

 

[DevilEyes]

Does alt-Desmond remember more of the prime universe?

I only ask because whilst being quizzed by Ben in the car he says he has a son called Charlie. Could just be a co-incidence because he had just met a Charlie.

Desmond remembered a lot of the prime universe when he met Penny and connected mentally to himself in the prime universe. I don't know how much he remembered, but he probably remembered his relationship with Penny, including their son.

 

[propita]

Does alt-Desmond remember more of the prime universe?

I only ask because whilst being quizzed by Ben in the car he says he has a son called Charlie. Could just be a co-incidence because he had just met a Charlie.

Widmore's full name is CHARLES Widmore. So baby Charlie was name for either or both of his grandfather and Charlie Pace, who died trying to save Des and the others.

 

[LitmusDragon]

If memory serves, didn't Desmond start acting pretty much like he's acting now the last time he was exposed to large amounts of electromagnetism? He was kinda wandering around, saying cryptic things, seemingly disconnected from events around him. This was after the hatch blew up, but before he starting trying to save Charlie.

I keep wanting to make some kind of connection from how he's acting now to how he was acting then, but it's a bit of a stretch.

I don't think he was aware Locke died, hence that's why FLocke was able to get the drop on him.

and I am also confused on the whole Christian / MiB thing. I think continuity-wise it's implied that Christian was MiB all along but it "feels" off to me somehow. For example the first time we saw Christian in the cabin was before the ash ring had been broken so Smokie shouldn't have been able to get in there. At least, I think it was before the ash ring was broken. You see, it's very confusing.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I don't think you see the ash ring when you see Christian. You see the ash ring when you see the invisible man Ben claimed was Jacob (although he didn't know anyone was there ). You see it was broken when Illana saw it. The claim is that Hurley broke it (I believe we see Christian after that point, not positive), but we can't be sure.

Certainly not every case we see Christian is consistent with it being the man in black, but many are. The fact that Claire's guide changed from her father to "Not Locke" is significant (especially because Christian hasn't returned to her). Also, the darkness that infected Claire appears to have started while she was away from everyone else, which suggests it was while she was in the care of her father. There are also occasions where Christian seems to take actions that are in the interests of the Man in Black. I feel this is entirely a wait and see situation.

 

[propita]

I think it all sadly comes down to the creators/whomever not really planning out where they going to go--not plotting out every step, but generally outlining the directions and making a few contingencies. They needed to keep their general plan general enough to allow for audience following.

For instance, I remember Ben was originally to be on for only a few episodes and look what happened--I would not want the show without him, but it seems like he totally shifted the show to a new direction. But then, if there was no real original direction, then it mattered only for ret-conning.

We (the audience) got played a bit more than we should have been. I enjoy the show, but think that the creators should've done a more thorough job of creating.

 

[Hober Mallow]

For instance, I remember Ben was originally to be on for only a few episodes and look what happened--I would not want the show without him, but it seems like he totally shifted the show to a new direction.

That's not exactly true.

Henry Gale, not Ben Linus, was originally only going to be a second season character. He was going to die in season two, and then in season three we were going to meet the leader of the Others.

The writers decided it would be cool if we found out at the end of the season that Henry Gale was actually the leader. So they basically just combined two characters, one character who was going to die with another character who was going to be important the following season. Hardly a major change in the show's direction.

 

[Mallet]

Also, why does Richard (and others) assume that they have to blow the plane up?

They have guns. Shoot up the control panel with a few rounds and the plane won't be flying anywhere.

Shoot out the front window and the plane won't be flying anywhere.

Shoot out the wheels and the plane won't be flying anywhere.

Shoot up the engines and the plane won't be flying anywhere.

Shoot up the wings (where the gas is held) and the plane won't be flying anywhere.

And last, but not least...

Shoot Frank and the plane won't be flying anywhere.


I mean, come on, Ben & Richard shouldn't be stupid enough to believe that they need to "blow the plane up" in order to stop it from flying off the island. It's a jumbo jet. A very complex machine. Even minor damage would prevent it from flying off the island. And the last time I checked, I don't think there are any airplane mechanics left on the island.


PS, I also wonder what Ben & Richard will do once they find out Widmore is back? Go join him?

 

[beneldon]

Plus, there's always the sub...

 

[McCoy]

...the ash ring... You see it was broken when Illana saw it. The claim is that Hurley broke it (I believe we see Christian after that point, not positive), but we can't be sure.

This is what I recall seeing. Hurley running in fear away from the cabin and kicking the ash as he runs.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

We see him running away, but I can't see him clearly kicking the ash. It certainly wasn't something I noticed the first time or on replays (and, since they made a big deal of the ash when it was first seen, I probably would have noticed a change in the status quo the next time).

 

[McCoy]

That's odd because I remember a shot of his feet as he runs. I clearly recall thinking "Hm, he disturbed that ash, I wonder if that will be important later."

 

[Mojochi]

That's odd because I remember a shot of his feet as he runs. I clearly recall thinking "Hm, he disturbed that ash, I wonder if that will be important later."

I was just like you. I was sure he kicked it, but after watching it again, they only show his feet quickly shuffling. I actually remember thinking just like you "He's going to break the ash circle", & maybe he did, but I don't think they ever showed it