Question on Starbase Yorktown ST-B

[valkyrie013]

So, was talking to a freind, and our conversation went to the kelvin movies , and we discussed the Yorktown station.
We discussed how to much space is just wasted in the snowglobe, and all the weird arms that are 17 miles long but there width isn't that wide. and variable gravity all around.
So the question, how would you redesign the station?
Would you turn it into a mini 40 mile wide Dyson sphere?
A cylinder?
Giant mushroom like the ST 3 base?
So? Thoughts?

 

[fireproof78]

Why am I redesigning it?

ETA: Here's an older fan art post of them imagining the station. It's a beautiful concept.

 

[valkyrie013]

Just had a thought, if you take out all the middle, and make it a small Dyson sphere with the sphere's inner surface made livable, you have alot more livable area.
you could still have supports that go to a central "base" in the middle.
hell you could make a 5 mile "Ceiling" from the outter hull, and have multiple layers of spheres, and would still be quite "airy"
Thats if you want max capacity, with some living space. a 20 mile radius is quite big.

to me Yorktown looks cool, but the engineer inside me says, Digg that crazy mixed up plumbing.. alot of wasted area.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I wouldn't change a single thing. Its variable gravity was the first time Starfleet had something that didn't have a Earth-normal environment.

I think Yorktown Base was built with future expansion capabilities in mind. A lot of the currently wasted space in the station may one day be filled with future structures or facilities not yet built or even conceived. As far as the rest, there may have been a deliberate "wow factor" in the station's design as well. Yorktown Base may be more than a Starfleet facility, it could also be a representative of Federation ability, scale, and technology to the Galaxy at large, IMO.

 

[thribs]

That’s what a Starbase in the 32nd century should look like. It was way too advanced for the 23rd century.

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't change a single thing. Its variable gravity was the first time Starfleet had something that didn't have a Earth-normal environment.

I think Yorktown Base was built with future expansion capabilities in mind. A lot of the currently wasted space in the station may one day be filled with future structures or facilities not yet built or even conceived. As far as the rest, there may have been a deliberate "wow factor" in the station's design as well. Yorktown Base may be more than a Starfleet facility, it could also be a representative of Federation ability, scale, and technology to the Galaxy at large, IMO.

Precisely so. It's a representation of Federation capabilities and cooperation, as well the possibility of future growth. It's a a excellent design to evoke awe and wonder while showcasing what can be accomplished together.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

That’s what a Starbase in the 32nd century should look like. It was way too advanced for the 23rd century.

I'm not so sure about that anymore. The cell phones we enjoy today are the equivalent of the TOS communicator...

 

[thribs]

I'm not so sure about that anymore. The cell phones we enjoy today are the equivalent of the TOS communicator...

But Star Trek isn’t our future. It’s the future Roddenberry conceived back in the 60’s.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

But Star Trek isn’t our future. It’s the future Roddenberry conceived back in the 60’s.

And what he conceived has been changed over the years. Voyager had to mention the tech boom of the 1990s. However, they made no mention of the Eugenics Wars, which canonically happened in the 1990s. Heck, Star Trek VI was written as the Soviet Union fell.

 

[thribs]

And what he conceived has been changed over the years. Voyager had to mention the tech boom of the 1990s. However, they made no mention of the Eugenics Wars, which canonically happened in the 1990s. Heck, Star Trek VI was written as the Soviet Union fell.

That is true but they could have still happened. The Eugenics War is said in the novels to have happened mainly in the southern continent. It’s going to be harder to ignore Trek history in the upcoming years as WW3 happened.

 

[fireproof78]

And what he conceived has been changed over the years. Voyager had to mention the tech boom of the 1990s. However, they made no mention of the Eugenics Wars, which canonically happened in the 1990s. Heck, Star Trek VI was written as the Soviet Union fell.

Yup. Trek has always been working to align with real world history, not its own history. Largely because it is about our humanity

 

[F. King Daniel]

That’s what a Starbase in the 32nd century should look like. It was way too advanced for the 23rd century.

Surely all you need is artificial gravity, and at the time of Beyond they've had that for over a century.

It's like saying the ancient Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids.

 

[thribs]

Surely all you need is artificial gravity, and at the time of Beyond they've had that for over a century.

It's like saying the ancient Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids.

It’s the sheer size and the amount of wasted space that gets me. If the Starbase in Discovery looked like that, I would have no issue with it. I way think, “that’s a cool futuristic design”.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It’s the sheer size and the amount of wasted space that gets me. If the Starbase in Discovery looked like that, I would have no issue with it. I way think, “that’s a cool futuristic design”.

They built it in space. Empty space is all around them, it comes cheap.

 

[thribs]

They built it in space. Empty space is all around them, it comes cheap.

Just isn’t practical. Space would be at a premium at that time

 

[fireproof78]

Just isn’t practical. Space would be at a premium at that time

It's not supposed to be practical but a demonstration of what an alliance if species can do. And it does that very well

 

[Sci]

I don't think the space is wasted. I think that they wanted that empty space to great a sensation of an open sky, and I think that sensation is probably beneficial to the inhabitants. They probably didn't build on the internal wall of the globe (yet) because it would have too long to construct.

I'm not so sure about that anymore. The cell phones we enjoy today are the equivalent of the TOS communicator...

In fairness, Captain Kirk's communicator still worked in an elevator.

(Also, our cell phones today are reliant upon a system of tower relays and orbiting satellites and have a limited range, whereas a TOS communicator could directly broadcast both apparently to orbiting starships but even across most of a star system in real-time.)

 

[shapeshifter]

Living there would be amazing. I'd always be looking at the view.

 

[XCV330]

That’s what a Starbase in the 32nd century should look like. It was way too advanced for the 23rd century.

If people can build starships, travel in time, have levitating cars, transporters, gravity plating, how is Yorktown 1000 years too early?

Just isn’t practical. Space would be at a premium at that time

It's SPACE. how do you put a premium on an infinite thing?

 

[somebuddyX]

I think it's fine as it is. If I were to redesign anything in Trek they would turn into horribly boring boxes of efficiency. "Oh no, that cylinder is attacking that box over there. Yikes." Like if space was an issue you could say the same about redesigning DS9 to remove the gaps between all the rings, or reverse the docking pylons so ships dock easier for efficiency or something. DS9 could just be a sphere.
I do like Khan 2.0's idea of Beyond in the late-80s having Yorktown be like Cloud City. Yorktown in TOS could have been a hundred K-7s smashed together.