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Question about slipstream

Jeff

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the whole slipstream drive is an add-on to the warp drive system, or is it a separate engine system that replaces the conventional warp drive? I was reading somewhere online that it was mentioned in a book that Starfleet was planning on refitting at least some of the ships in the fleet with slipstream drives (Im presuming newer vessels), but not all ships in the fleet would be compatible with the upgrade.

Any thoughts on this?
 
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the whole slipstream drive is an add-on to the warp drive system, or is it a separate engine system that replaces the conventional warp drive? I was reading somewhere online that it was mentioned in a book that Starfleet was planning on refitting at least some of the ships in the fleet with slipstream drives (Im presuming newer vessels), but not all ships in the fleet would be compatible with the upgrade.

Any thoughts on this?

It's a separate system distinct from warp, like warp is distinct from impulse. A slipstream corridor is pretty much generated by the deflector dish rather than the nacelles. Slipstream-equipped vessels in the novels have both slipstream drive for really fast long-range travel and conventional warp drive for local travel.

As for the compatibility question, some of us involved in creating tie-in materials (myself, Dave Mack, and Mark Rademaker, who designed the Aventine and is working on designs for the Voyager slipstream fleet) have settled on the idea that it's a matter of hull geometry. Given that slipstream corridors as shown on TV are narrow tunnels, it follows that a slender, streamlined hull geometry would be more compatible with the drive than something wide and bulky like a Galaxy-class or Luna-class ship. (Which is tricky given that there are Nebula-class ships in the Voyager fleet. Mark's been working on a revised Nebula design that could work with slipstream.)
 
So would a Sovereign class ship be able to traverse slipstream? Its cross-section is much narrower then a Galaxy or a Nebula, but its saucer section is still rather thick
 
^ There are also mass issues. It's easier to and less energy-intensive to facilitate slipstream passage for smaller vessels than for larger ones. The Sovereign-class ships might be compatible, but they'd be pushing the upper limits of technology as it currently exists.
 
Voyager's been upgraded to use slipstream, and it's basic shape is pretty much that of the Sovereign - so I'd guess so, although it's yet to be applied to the E-E in the novels.
 
I was reading Zero Sum Game and it mentioned that the Federation hadnt shared slipstream tech with the Klingons. Are they planning to?
 
Mark Rademaker, who designed the Aventine and is working on designs for the Voyager slipstream fleet)
So does that mean we'll be seeing some of the other ships on Voyager book covers or will they be more of a behind the scenes thing for the authors?
 
^You'd have to ask Mark (who posts here as Clawhammer), but I gather it's something he's doing as a personal project, out of curiosity.
 
I'm still laughing..."slipstream for long range, but warp for local travel."

63 light years=local!! :rofl:
 
^Everything's relative. Earth to Jupiter is hardly local by present-day standards, but it's a short hop at impulse by 24th-century standards.
 
^ just seems so silly, even to an old-time trekkie---the realization is just how far our collective imagination will take us!!

Why aren't we there yet; I mean we should at least have flying cars!!!

On topic: The Borg had a problem with this; there must be inherent dangers (a la Voyager). Was (is) slipstream better than transwarp?
 
Slipstream has different challenges than transwarp. For one thing, it's not well-suited to the shape and size of a Borg vessel. It requires very intensive computations to keep a slipstream conduit active, and the larger the conduit needs to be, the exponentially more difficult it becomes to keep it stable. (According to the explanation we worked out for the books, that is.) Hence the reason narrow ships work better.

In theory, it's possible to refine slipstream tech to handle bigger ships, but the Borg aren't innovators, just imitators. They assimilated Arturis's people's slipstream tech when they assimilated the civilization, but that drive was optimized for ships much smaller than what the Borg use, so they couldn't make practical use of it. And the transwarp drive they already had served them well enough.

Whether slipstream is "better than transwarp" depends on how you define "better" and on how you define "transwarp." We've been shown multiple different drive systems that were called transwarp, from something that seems to function like warp only faster to something that relies on pre-existing conduits. It seems to be a generic term for drives that are faster than standard warp drive. Maybe slipstream could be called a kind of transwarp if it didn't already have a distinct name of its own. As for "better," it depends on what parameter you're using. Slipstream is problematical in a number of ways. It can easily destabilize if your computers aren't fast and precise enough. It depends on a very rare type of synthetic crystal. It's useful only in certain types of ship. But, unlike the various kinds of transwarp, it's a drive that the Federation has actually been able to make work, and it allows for speeds that equal or surpass most kinds of transwarp.
 
works for me! Thanks, Christopher.

To add: in that TNG episode where Barcley takes the Enterprise far far away, was that slipstream, transwarp, or something our intrepid explorers have no Idea about?
I prefer the last. "we'll talk to you when you grow up" type of thing.

That's not even bringing up how the Q get around, which must be on an order of magnitude much better than what we "vermin" can even contemplate...
 
works for me! Thanks, Christopher.

To add: in that TNG episode where Barcley takes the Enterprise far far away, was that slipstream, transwarp, or something our intrepid explorers have no Idea about?
I prefer the last. "we'll talk to you when you grow up" type of thing.

That's not even bringing up how the Q get around, which must be on an order of magnitude much better than what we "vermin" can even contemplate...

From what I gathered from what we saw of the Cytherian's method, it looked to me to be more analogous to folding space than transwarp or some other form of slipstream or wormhole-like phenomenon.
 
I have to agree with the fold-space method, but that's out of Dune.

Why spend time if with a blink you could be elsewhere and when?

I have a feeling that slipstream technology will ultimately prove to be
extremely hazardous to our fortuitous (?) explorers.

It's like a cat with a hairball: you can move quickly, but have to stop every one in a while to cough up the waste....

Another thought: How did the Probe move about? Acorrding to Margaret, The Probe moved by the power of thought.
an excellent thought is that the Doomsday Machine was indeed a precursor to the Probe. According to Margaret, the Borg encountered the Probe and were driven off...which set up that excellent novel I can't remember the title of...when Spock gets the Berserker against Janeway's Borg.
 
[...(Which is tricky given that there are Nebula-class ships in the Voyager fleet. Mark's been working on a revised Nebula design that could work with slipstream.)

I look forward to seeing that. :)


Just wanted to point out: There are no Nebula class ships in the Full Circle fleet. I was under the same assumption.

Nebula's in their current form are probably too large, too bulky for Quantum Slipstream. I believe it would need an extensive refit of (at least) the saucer section to get it into QS. http://www.ewe-squad.com/fleet/nebulavariant2.jpg (quickly illustrated/bashed here.)

So anyway luckily for me, no need to worry about that! :)
 
There are no Nebula class ships in the Full Circle fleet.

Somebody might want to edit the Memory Beta entry on Project Full Circle, then, because it lists two Nebulas (the Hawking and the Curie) in that fleet. If those aren't Nebulas, then what class(es) are they supposed to be?
 
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I am of the understanding that there will be an appendix in the "Children Of The Storm" book that will list each ship and its class and crew number in the Full Circle fleet. I asked the author in another thread if she were able to post that for us or if we would have to wait for the book, but no answer thus far.

So, they know but they ain't sayin'...
 
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