Promethius Class Vs Soverign Class and....
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In order:
Least powerful 5: Excelsior class, non-uprated
4: Ambassador class, standard
3:Galaxy class/Nebula class
2:Intrepid class
Most powerful 1
efiant class
As for the prometheus VS the sovereign...they are both evenly matched, but the Prometheus class eek's out because it can separate into three powerful smaller ships. The Sovereign would have a tough time dealing with that.
Least powerful 5: Excelsior class, non-uprated
4: Ambassador class, standard
3:Galaxy class/Nebula class
2:Intrepid class
Most powerful 1
efiant classAs for the prometheus VS the sovereign...they are both evenly matched, but the Prometheus class eek's out because it can separate into three powerful smaller ships. The Sovereign would have a tough time dealing with that.
I am wondering if a Nebula's design would be more appropriate for combat than a Galaxy's...Nebula is more compact, which would provide a tighter shield envelope, and the triangular pod has more torpedo tubes, giving greater force projection than the one fore/one aft Galaxy. Other than this point, I agree with Kent.
Don't know if the Defiant is necessarily more powerful than the Galaxy, but as it was built for combat, I'd say its advantages in pulse phasers and ablative armor, as well as the tight design giving a smaller shield envelope, as well as maneuverability, would give it the edge.
As far as Sovereign VS Prometheus, Sovereign (especially the torpedo-heavy Nemesis movie design) would top a merged Prometheus, while a Prometheus split into multi-vector assault mode would give Sov a run for its money.
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Don't know if the Defiant is necessarily more powerful than the Galaxy, but as it was built for combat, I'd say its advantages in pulse phasers and ablative armor, as well as the tight design giving a smaller shield envelope, as well as maneuverability, would give it the edge.
As far as Sovereign VS Prometheus, Sovereign (especially the torpedo-heavy Nemesis movie design) would top a merged Prometheus, while a Prometheus split into multi-vector assault mode would give Sov a run for its money.
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Soverign beats Promethius,However promey gives sovey a REAL run for it's money.Now in order of which ship is BEST in combat effectiveness IF they have not been refitted.From a scale of one to five(five being the best)Excelsior,Ambassador,and Intrepid I see coming in at third place(although the Voyager has survived many a combat situation the Intrepid itself was not designed for a REAL ALLOUT WAR!)The Galaxy,Nebula,And Defaint come in at forth place only because the Galaxy & Nebula we're never desinged for combat in mind,they still pack a pretty good punch(However it appears even with the strongest of shilds a ship seams to go down REAL fast if a attacking ship performs a kamikaze,as seen in D.S.9).And the Defiant was built for war..however it can't really take THAT much of a pounding,it was really designed for quik in and out combat manuvers.Hope that answers your question.
The first on the list of most combat readiness is:
Defiant class. It's powerful and it's pulse phasers run right by the plasma couplings in the warp nacelles. Depending on the situation they can take a pounding or not. Remember in First Contact, the USS Defiant was kicking some major ass. Also, in the alternate timeline, the USS Defiant went up against a Klingon ship that dwarfed it and took it down.
The Second on the list is a group:
Galaxy/Nebula/Intrepid classes. The Galaxy classes and Nebula classes are pretty much the same, and BOTH were designed to to everything, including combat to defend the Federation. The ships are formiddable in battle, and have a decent damage to surviviability ratio. The Intrepid was designed as an easier to build, faster, and more advanced version of the Galaxy class, and largely has the same combat capabilities thanks to it's special design of warp core, which is lined with a dilithium lattice instead of a central chamber (the swirling effect), making it a 6 deck high reaction chamber.
Third on the list:
Excelsior class. I know it's older than the Ambassador class, but they have been continually refitted over the last century in star trek and are pretty powerful. Even though the USS Lakota is unique, other excelsior class ships are probably powerful in their own right as well. I didn't see a whole lot of them destroyed during the Dominion wars.
Fourth on the list:
Ambassador class. I'm, to be honest, unsure if the Ambassador class is really fourth over the Excelsior class. It might be equal in combat capability. Then again, the Excelsior classes saw way more battle during the Dominion war. Then again (again), common ships such as the Intrepid class were also not really seen which made no sense. Not even ONE Sovereign class either.
In terms of a combat situation, the Sovereign classes and Prometheus classes are almost identical in combat strength. It would be a pretty even battle.
The Prometheus I would think would eek out though, given that it's smaller and more manuverable, and can separate into three different 100% independent ships that also are powerful. The Sovereign class might have difficulty with that. Imagine this scenario with the USS Charlotte being the Prometheus and the USS Alexander being the Sovereign class.
The Charlotte opens fire on the Alexander...the shields absoarb the torpedo and phaser strikes with ease, and the regeneration is fully working. The Alexander returns fire, and the quantum's and phasers are again absoarbed into the shields, with relative ease...at first.
The battle continues, and the Charlotte is running circles around the Alexaner. The Alexander however has more torpedo launchers and better phaser coverage, so it's keeping pace well. The shields on both ships are starting to wear as the primary torpedos being used are quantum and the phasers are VERY strong.
The Charlotte takes a direct hit from 3 quantum torpedo's and auxillary power has to be re-routed to the phasers. The shields are at 50% of normal capacity, and the Alexander's are 60% of normal capacity. It has also had to re-route power to the phasers, albeit not as much.
The captain of the Charlotte gives the order...the alarm is sounded and the ship separates. All three ships open fire on the Alexander, photon torpedo's and quantum torpedo's with phaser fire drizzled in abound in dazzling glory. The Alexander's shields are with the first volley of a half a dozen torpeo's reduced to 50% as well, and the shields of each part of the Charlotte are holding at 47% of norm.
The captain of the Alexander increases his phaser output by rerouting power from all impulse reaction chambers and warp nacelles, as well as power from all non-essential sub systems, by 15%. He is running hot at 90,000 TW/emitter segment. The Charlotte is still firing at 75,000 TW/emitter segment. It's getting hit with torpedo's and sever phaser fire, and the shields are not regenerating fast enough.
The Charlotte's captain then gives an unusual order. Knowing the Alexander's sublight speed is reduced due to the transfer in power, she orders her ship and it's other parts to perform an unusual manuver...The helm punches in the order to the helm, shields are holding at 41% of norm now, and the ships systematically engage in a series of warp jumps aimed at 3 different sections of the Alexander: the impulse engines, sensor array, and warp core.
The Alexander is tracking the Charlotte, but now getting a shot was much more difficult because the warp strafes are to short and quick to get an accurate lock, and manuel targeting is too hard. They get a good few shots in, but the Alexander's shields are not holding anymore, and they were getting bombarded with photons, quantums, and powerful phasers. The shields were dropping fast, from 50%, to 41% to 36%, and now they were at 29%.
The Charlotte's shields have regenerated to 47% now that the attacks have gotten to be fewer and farther between. The attacks are beginning to make the Alexander nervous, the Captain could tell. The warp engines were just made inoperable, and the shields of the Alexander were at 22%. The warp strafes were working. Finally, after about 7 minutes of strafing she ordered a standard all out assault on the sensor systems...the ships dropped out of warp for good, reassembled, and took aim at the main deflector...it launched a barrage of phaser and torpedo fire, and punched through the foward shields, hitting the main deflector and severely damaging it.
The Alexander hailed the Charlotte....they offered their surrender.
This is one possible outcome, and is why I think the Prometheus would eek out with a slight advantage. But it could go the other way, it depends on the skill.
The Prometheus I would think would eek out though, given that it's smaller and more manuverable, and can separate into three different 100% independent ships that also are powerful. The Sovereign class might have difficulty with that. Imagine this scenario with the USS Charlotte being the Prometheus and the USS Alexander being the Sovereign class.
The Charlotte opens fire on the Alexander...the shields absoarb the torpedo and phaser strikes with ease, and the regeneration is fully working. The Alexander returns fire, and the quantum's and phasers are again absoarbed into the shields, with relative ease...at first.
The battle continues, and the Charlotte is running circles around the Alexaner. The Alexander however has more torpedo launchers and better phaser coverage, so it's keeping pace well. The shields on both ships are starting to wear as the primary torpedos being used are quantum and the phasers are VERY strong.
The Charlotte takes a direct hit from 3 quantum torpedo's and auxillary power has to be re-routed to the phasers. The shields are at 50% of normal capacity, and the Alexander's are 60% of normal capacity. It has also had to re-route power to the phasers, albeit not as much.
The captain of the Charlotte gives the order...the alarm is sounded and the ship separates. All three ships open fire on the Alexander, photon torpedo's and quantum torpedo's with phaser fire drizzled in abound in dazzling glory. The Alexander's shields are with the first volley of a half a dozen torpeo's reduced to 50% as well, and the shields of each part of the Charlotte are holding at 47% of norm.
The captain of the Alexander increases his phaser output by rerouting power from all impulse reaction chambers and warp nacelles, as well as power from all non-essential sub systems, by 15%. He is running hot at 90,000 TW/emitter segment. The Charlotte is still firing at 75,000 TW/emitter segment. It's getting hit with torpedo's and sever phaser fire, and the shields are not regenerating fast enough.
The Charlotte's captain then gives an unusual order. Knowing the Alexander's sublight speed is reduced due to the transfer in power, she orders her ship and it's other parts to perform an unusual manuver...The helm punches in the order to the helm, shields are holding at 41% of norm now, and the ships systematically engage in a series of warp jumps aimed at 3 different sections of the Alexander: the impulse engines, sensor array, and warp core.
The Alexander is tracking the Charlotte, but now getting a shot was much more difficult because the warp strafes are to short and quick to get an accurate lock, and manuel targeting is too hard. They get a good few shots in, but the Alexander's shields are not holding anymore, and they were getting bombarded with photons, quantums, and powerful phasers. The shields were dropping fast, from 50%, to 41% to 36%, and now they were at 29%.
The Charlotte's shields have regenerated to 47% now that the attacks have gotten to be fewer and farther between. The attacks are beginning to make the Alexander nervous, the Captain could tell. The warp engines were just made inoperable, and the shields of the Alexander were at 22%. The warp strafes were working. Finally, after about 7 minutes of strafing she ordered a standard all out assault on the sensor systems...the ships dropped out of warp for good, reassembled, and took aim at the main deflector...it launched a barrage of phaser and torpedo fire, and punched through the foward shields, hitting the main deflector and severely damaging it.
The Alexander hailed the Charlotte....they offered their surrender.
This is one possible outcome, and is why I think the Prometheus would eek out with a slight advantage. But it could go the other way, it depends on the skill.
My best analysis would be:
Sovereign Class
Prometheus Class
Defiant Class
Galaxy Class
Nebula Class
Intrepid Class
Ambassador Class
Excelsior Class
1. Galaxy
2. Sovereign
3. Prometheus
4. Defiant
5. Nebula
6. Ambassador
7. Excelsior
8. Intrepid
9. JJ TREK Enterprise
10. SuperStarDestroyer
11. Star Destroyer
First three are very close, followed by the rest of the ships which are also there and thereabouts in firepower. Finally, the last two ships are far behind the curve.
Heres the thing about rankings like these... they are only good in the mind of the person who created the ranking. For example, their are plenty of Galaxy Class haters out in fandom, or people who think the Defiant does not conform to established Trek ship guidelines or what have you.
Soooo, IMHO...
1. Sovereign
2. Galaxy
3. Prometheus ( MVAM was a silly idea though )
4. Nebula
5. Defiant
6. Intrepid
7. Ambassador
8. Excelsior
Soooo, IMHO...
1. Sovereign
2. Galaxy
3. Prometheus ( MVAM was a silly idea though )
4. Nebula
5. Defiant
6. Intrepid
7. Ambassador
8. Excelsior
I would surmise that the Prometheus and Sovereign would essentially be equals in terms of fire power and combat effectiveness might be given a better edge to the Prometheus because of MVAM.
The Refit Sovvie in Nemesis though sported good enough phaser coverage which would essentially bring it up to the Prometheus level of effectiveness.
The Intrepid and Galaxy class would essentially behave the same power/combat wise.
Sure, the Galaxy can have more torpedoes, but I suspect the combat would be long over before they each waste 10 or 20 torpedoes.
The Intrepid is a downsized Galaxy class, much like the Prometheus is a downsized Sovereign class.
I would imagine that the Nebula class could perform on the Galaxy/Intrepid class level, given the premise that it's essentially the Galaxy class without the neck and differently modified pylons.
The Defiant would probably be on the level of the Intrepid/Galaxy/Nebula in terms of fire-power.
Combat effectiveness though is limited because of it's frontal pulse phasers and only 1 phaser strip that covers the top section of the ship.
Aside from that, despite it's speed, it can still be pounded from any direction by other ships that have all round phaser strips coverage.
The Excelsior class can reach Defiant's level of effectiveness/power if it's properly upgraded (as witnessed in Ds9 via the Lakota), if we are talking no upgrades, then it would be weaker than the Ambassador class either way.
Excelsior, Nebula and Ambassador classes would essentially be on the level of Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy classes with proper upgrades (unless the Nebula is already there - which it very well might be).
The Refit Sovvie in Nemesis though sported good enough phaser coverage which would essentially bring it up to the Prometheus level of effectiveness.
The Intrepid and Galaxy class would essentially behave the same power/combat wise.
Sure, the Galaxy can have more torpedoes, but I suspect the combat would be long over before they each waste 10 or 20 torpedoes.
The Intrepid is a downsized Galaxy class, much like the Prometheus is a downsized Sovereign class.
I would imagine that the Nebula class could perform on the Galaxy/Intrepid class level, given the premise that it's essentially the Galaxy class without the neck and differently modified pylons.
The Defiant would probably be on the level of the Intrepid/Galaxy/Nebula in terms of fire-power.
Combat effectiveness though is limited because of it's frontal pulse phasers and only 1 phaser strip that covers the top section of the ship.
Aside from that, despite it's speed, it can still be pounded from any direction by other ships that have all round phaser strips coverage.
The Excelsior class can reach Defiant's level of effectiveness/power if it's properly upgraded (as witnessed in Ds9 via the Lakota), if we are talking no upgrades, then it would be weaker than the Ambassador class either way.
Excelsior, Nebula and Ambassador classes would essentially be on the level of Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy classes with proper upgrades (unless the Nebula is already there - which it very well might be).
I'm going to buck the trend and put a (Lakota-uprated) Excelsior on top if Transwarp is had. I think its design was geared to that drive--and if had would give it a great power curve due to its excellant warp dynamics. Ambassador is so very large in its secondary hull that two warp cores could be placed there for extra power--and it looks to be a great troop carrier if uprated to Lakota specs.
