Post Atomic Horror - Zephryn Cochran era novels?

[DataLives]

Hello all,

I have read through the FAQs and I have searched this forum, but I have not found what I am looking for, so please forgive me if this question has been asked a billion times.

Are there any novels based on the Third World War? Post Atomic Horror? Cochran's struggle to build his first warp drive ship?

a) I LOVE Star Trek
b) I enjoy aspects of post apocalyptic fiction, but find that it is often too grim
c) Roddenberry's vision for the future of humanity is so hopeful, that it would be nice to read some post apocalyptic fiction where one KNOWS there is a light at the end of the struggle.

Any help would be appreciated.

LLAP

DataLives

 

[Dayton Ward]

Federation, by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens, is the closest thing to such a book.

 

[DimesDan]

Not sure if there are any really, The Sundered which is part of the Lost Era set of novels does have a few bits and pieces, but nothing extensive on the Third World War.

b) I enjoy aspects of post apocalyptic fiction, but find that it is often too grim

My word, that cracks me up, something tells me that life after an apocalyptic event wouldn't be all rainbows and happiness.

 

[seigezunt]

Federation, by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens, is the closest thing to such a book.

and a fine one at that.

 

[DataLives]

Thank you very much for the replies. I will read Federation as soon as I am finished Death in Winter.

............

Yes, yes, I understand that life after nuclear war wouldn't be rainbows.

I meant that it is often too ultimately grim for my tastes- as in The Road or Oryx and Crake... and Roddenberry is different in that he offers light and hope after humanity goes through Hell and nearly destroys itself.

The World Made by Hand is good for some hope after disaster too.

Thank you!

LLAP

DataLives

 

[BrotherBenny]

And FYI, it's spelled Zefram Cochrane.

 

[JD]

I haven't read it myself, but from what I've heard around here Federation does conflict some with First Contact. Just thought I'd warn you.

 

[Christopher]

Oh, Federation conflicts massively with First Contact -- or rather vice versa, since Federation came out first. In it, Cochrane's first warp flight (and quite a few more) came before WWIII, Cochrane travelled to Vulcan to make first contact with them, Cochrane's personality is substantially different, etc. Some fans have concocted ways to try to force the two together by ignoring some of the specifics of both, but the two were written on the basis of entirely incompatible assumptions about 21st-century history and Cochrane in particular.

But that's fine. That's the cool thing about fiction -- you're not limited to only one reality. Fiction is about creativity, and it's interesting to get to explore different creators' takes on the same concept.

 

[seigezunt]

Oh, Federation conflicts massively with First Contact -- or rather vice versa, since Federation came out first. .

Yes, very much. I just delete FC from my "personal continuity."

 

[Sci]

Oh, Federation conflicts massively with First Contact -- or rather vice versa, since Federation came out first. .

Yes, very much. I just delete FC from my "personal continuity."

I'm sorry to hear that. Whatever else one might say about FC, I always thought that that ending -- with the Vulcan ship landing, the poverty-stricken Humans in absolute awe, and Zefram Cochrane, a man who had believed nothing in life to be so important as money, opening his eyes and realizing the enormity of history and the importance of a higher nobility as he makes first contact with alien life, was a beautiful, hopeful, very Star Trek-ian scene that perfectly encompassed the franchise and its principles.

 

[DataLives]

Re: Post Atomic Horror - Zephram Cochrane era novels?

Hello again,

I just wanted to thank you all for suggesting Federation to me.

I am really enjoying the book, half way through at this point.

They seem to really love Star Trek and live with the same hope for humanity in their hearts... and it comes through in the writing. Stitching the timeline(s) together was a really nice touch.... and they patch up some of the gaping plot holes left in the OS episode with the Companion and Cochrane.

I remember watching it (Metamorphosis) with my TNG mind and thinking "Um....Dead diplomat. No body recovered. War still going on. Spotty explaination from Kirk trying to hide the fact that they found Zephram Cochrane....this is gonna be a bit of paperwork"

Thanks again. I hope more novels are written around the WWIII / Eugenics era of the Trek world.

Data.
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PS: Is there any way to fix my spelling in the title? It's making me itchy

 

[Gotham Central]

Oh, Federation conflicts massively with First Contact -- or rather vice versa, since Federation came out first. .

Yes, very much. I just delete FC from my "personal continuity."

Definately!

I thought that the timeline featured in Federation was MUCH more interesting than what we ended up with in FC. Its timeline made a lot more sense than the one created by FC.

 

[rahullak]

Oh, Federation conflicts massively with First Contact -- or rather vice versa, since Federation came out first. .

Yes, very much. I just delete FC from my "personal continuity."

I'm sorry to hear that. Whatever else one might say about FC, I always thought that that ending -- with the Vulcan ship landing, the poverty-stricken Humans in absolute awe, and Zefram Cochrane, a man who had believed nothing in life to be so important as money, opening his eyes and realizing the enormity of history and the importance of a higher nobility as he makes first contact with alien life, was a beautiful, hopeful, very Star Trek-ian scene that perfectly encompassed the franchise and its principles.

Not to mention that in that very same scene the mirror universe was born with Cochrane giving in to his selfish impulses and mowing down the Vulcan who had just greeted him. Perfectly encompassed the Mirror Universe and its principles.

 

[Christopher]

Not to mention that in that very same scene the mirror universe was born with Cochrane giving in to his selfish impulses and mowing down the Vulcan who had just greeted him. Perfectly encompassed the Mirror Universe and its principles.

No, the episode (both internal dialogue and the "Mirror" main title sequence) made it clear that the Mirror Universe's history diverged from the main Trek universe long before then. The opening scene of "In a Mirror, Darkly Part 1" wasn't meant to show the beginning of the Mirror Universe, just to show that it was a different history.

 

[rahullak]

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I thought the title sequence was just meant to show the dark nature of the MU. Hence the history presumably showing WWIII.

I don't remember any internal dialogue suggested that the history of the MU diverged before then. I remember Archer saying "This is the weapon Zefram Cochrane used to kill the first Vulcan to step on Terran soil. I wonder how history would have turned out if he hadn't turned the tables on your invasion force. Humans may have been your slaves instead of the other way around". I take that as Archer reminiscing history as Cochrane and his people had written it, namely being paranoid and making it appear as though the first Vulcans who had arrived were an invasion force bent on enslavement. There was nothing to suggest (based on the opening scenes) that they were an invasion force or that they were going to enslave the human race. Everything seemed to me to be exactly as it was in the main universe until Cochrane opened fire.

Far from clear that the MU diverged before that first contact incident, IMO.

 

[William Leisner]

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I thought the title sequence was just meant to show the dark nature of the MU. Hence the history presumably showing WWIII.

World War III fought with 17th century sailing ships?

I don't remember any internal dialogue suggested that the history of the MU diverged before then.

There was a scene where Phlox was talking to T'Pol about his study of the other universe's history and culture, and saying about the only similarity is that Shakespeare is equally grim in both universes. If the divergence was as recent as 2063, he certainly would have noted that, rather than going back to the Elizabethan Age.

 

[rahullak]

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Oh I see. I stand corrected. Or sit corrected.

 

[flandry84]

Apropos of the post-apocalypse lit,you might like "Far north"by Marcel Theroux.