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I don't really think it's a cop out. To me it's a central premise in Trek, providing commentary on current affairs by setting up a similar issue within the context of the fictional future environment. Instead, they took an issue that's trending in society today and basically repeated it verbatim on the show, implying that society has these exact same problems 900 years in the future. It kind of comes back to lazy writing like, "yay, we had a couple of sentences on the pronoun thing, box checked, time to move on". Now, if you are a non-binary person, you were probably happy to see that issue acknowledged on screen, and from that prospective it was good. But if you are not a non-binary person (sorry about the double negative), the scene doesn't carry as much weight because it doesn't give much insight into the life of a non-binary person and associated struggles, etc. To me, that's the missed opportunity, giving a binary person like me greater insight into non-binary people by telling a story about it within the context of Star Trek.
I'm not non-binary, but I'm trans and in a lot of queer spaces (or at least I used to be before the whole global pandemic business, but I digress). That being said, what Adira goes through this season, opening up about their identity and finding a family of other lgbtq+ people, that they aren't related to, very much reflects my own experiences and that of non-binary people I know. Just a lot less bigotry and negative reactions and more undead ghost boyfriends. And as far as portraying that bigotry goes, since Adira mostly interacts with Discovery's crew, that would've meant casting main characters or Starfleet personnel in a negative, and frankly in a workplace unprofessional, light, which they obviously wouldn't want to do. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Adira's pre-Discovery journey and discovering their gender stuff, but due to lower episode numbers we only have so many episodes and the season was pretty packed as is. And frankly, I'm not sure how much I'd trust the Discovery writing staff to pull that off well, especially since internal coming outs, as the name suggest, tend to be a largely internal process that could be hard to portray in a visual medium. IIRC there's a non-binary writer currently working on a DS9 novel, maybe getting them to write an Adira backstory novel would be neat.

Instead, they took an issue that's trending in society today and basically repeated it verbatim on the show, implying that society has these exact same problems 900 years in the future
I don't think that's a fair assessment of the state of non-binary acceptance, as we only see them being accepted by everyone. So this isn't really Trek showing a current issue and more like Trek showing us a world in which we have overcome said issue.

I don't really think it's a cop out.
Regarding the Trill, it really is. Having a human be non-binary "be non-binary" because of weird alien stuff, instead of just being non-binary because that is a thing that humans irl are, when there is so little real non-binary representation is definitely a cop out. And it doesn't actually help portraying non-binary people, as neither the bigotry they face aligns with what a joined human would face, nor would their internal journey align with having the memories of a bunch of dead people in your brain and a worm in your guts.
 
I'm not non-binary, but I'm trans and in a lot of queer spaces (or at least I used to be before the whole global pandemic business, but I digress). That being said, what Adira goes through this season, opening up about their identity and finding a family of other lgbtq+ people, that they aren't related to, very much reflects my own experiences and that of non-binary people I know. Just a lot less bigotry and negative reactions and more undead ghost boyfriends. And as far as portraying that bigotry goes, since Adira mostly interacts with Discovery's crew, that would've meant casting main characters or Starfleet personnel in a negative, and frankly in a workplace unprofessional, light, which they obviously wouldn't want to do. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Adira's pre-Discovery journey and discovering their gender stuff, but due to lower episode numbers we only have so many episodes and the season was pretty packed as is. And frankly, I'm not sure how much I'd trust the Discovery writing staff to pull that off well, especially since internal coming outs, as the name suggest, tend to be a largely internal process that could be hard to portray in a visual medium. IIRC there's a non-binary writer currently working on a DS9 novel, maybe getting them to write an Adira backstory novel would be neat.

I agree it would have to be done in some kind of flashback or maybe through interactions with an alien race, and agree that the writing staff probably wouldn't be able to pull it off. Also, trying to cram too much into a 13 ep arc is a general issue I've had with this season, I agree you would need a longer season to really do it justice.

I don't think that's a fair assessment of the state of non-binary acceptance, as we only see them being accepted by everyone. So this isn't really Trek showing a current issue and more like Trek showing us a world in which we have overcome said issue.

I guess I was thinking about it more from a language perspective. The current issue with the pronoun thing is that there isn't a widely accepted gender neutral pronoun that people can use universally. If there was, everyone could just use that word all the time without fear of making assumptions or offending someone. So the solution is to create that word and get it into the mainstream, kind of like how people used to call young women "miss" and now we mostly use "ms". So we are basically saying humanity couldn't solve a relatively simple language problem in 900 years? Kinda depressing.

Regarding the Trill, it really is. Having a human be non-binary "be non-binary" because of weird alien stuff, instead of just being non-binary because that is a thing that humans irl are, when there is so little real non-binary representation is definitely a cop out. And it doesn't actually help portraying non-binary people, as neither the bigotry they face aligns with what a joined human would face, nor would their internal journey align with having the memories of a bunch of dead people in your brain and a worm in your guts.

I guess it depends on you look at it. Trek has a long history of taking issues that might not be completely in the mainstream yet and telling a story about it (usually through weird alien stuff) and using that as a way of reaching a wider audience without seeming political or preachy. I personally think you could tell a story with weird alien stuff and still find a way to incorporate bigotry. But I guess at the end of the day telling a straight up non-binary story is the same thing and maybe have an alien culture that is really unaccepting of that to show the bigotry part. I still disagree that going the weird alien route is a cop out though.
 
I know thread drift has happened, but thinking back to the OP, I just re-upped Disney Plus for a month to watch (among other things) the Mandalorian's second season.

That series has its flaws, but one thing it really seems like it does understand well is the importance of silence and stillness in order to help with pacing and tone. Which is striking, because I'd say overall it's a far more shallow, action-oriented series than Discovery.
 
That series has its flaws, but one thing it really seems like it does understand well is the importance of silence and stillness in order to help with pacing and tone
Also lighting. There is one particular dogfight comes to mind in season 2 that looks amazing and haaving watched it just after an episode of DIS the ability to actually see the ships and what they were doing was mind blowing
 
Also lighting. There is one particular dogfight comes to mind in season 2 that looks amazing and haaving watched it just after an episode of DIS the ability to actually see the ships and what they were doing was mind blowing

Sound too. There was a lightsaber battle where they used sound really effectively and added a whole other dimension to the battle that was very immersive.

The Mandalorian is a great example of a show that knows exactly what it is and plays to its strengths.
 
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:rolleyes:
 
Coffee is really a French thing btw (I speak from experience). We like it very strong at that almost liquid-tarlike. (by your standards anyway).

So why is Janeway drinking coffee and Picard drinking tea?

One more mystery unsolved!
Stewart is a Yorkshireman. You make make him play a french man in space but you can't take away his Tea :)
 
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