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Playstation 4

darkshadow0001

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If a Playstation 4 is created, do you think Sony will take a similar route like Nintedo did with the WII knowing their system didn't do well (Playstation 3) as in sales? I'm not trying to discredit the PS3 (which I would love to get one someday), but I just got to thinking about this since I work in the electronic department of Toys R Us quite a bit. I know Sony has been around for a long time, do you think the PS3 has hurt them at all because of how expensive it is and not doing well in sales? I kind of hope they don't debunk graphics and make the PS4 more kiddie-like like the WII. I've never been huge on Nintendo, so I hope they don't go this route, but I think they need to do something very creative so they can be successful with the next system and don't lose money on it.
 
Yes, both the next Microsoft and next Sony system wont be super high end like the 360 and PS3 were. They've discovered that the business model of loosing hundreds on hardware and making it up on software just doesn't work anymore. Plus there's no way Microsoft and Sony's stockholders will allow them to continue taking huge losses on hardware after the success of the Wii.

Now don't get me wrong the 720 and PS4 wont have nearly identical specs to the 360 and PS3 like the Wii does to the Gamecube, but they wont be bleeding edge either. Sony and Microsoft will most likely break even (or come close to breaking even) on hardware costs from day 1.

This isn't a bad thing. We're starting to hit the point of diminishing returns for graphics. They just aren't going to be getting that much more realistic. For Nintendo's next console I'm expecting something similar to the 360, perhaps with an SSD instead of a hard drive if the prices are low enough.


I just don't understand why you think the Wii is kiddie-like. Were the PS2 or Xbox kiddie-like? The Wii is more powerful then the PS2 and roughly on par with the Xbox. Art style can be kiddie-like (though the art style for Nintendo games aren't, if anything it designed for everyone). Look at the Wii game Mad World, it has an art style that's just as "mature" as any 360/PS3 game.
 
Its been some kind of ride with both the 360 and the PS3 this gen......Both consoles releasing i don't know how many hardware revisions of each console, 360 with is multitude of faults from the dreaded RROD to disc scratching, then the ps3 with that massive retail price and delay after delay of some big Ps3 titles as well as some overly hyped titles not living up to the hype.

I will tell you thing though, i wont be dipping my toes into any future launch consoles no matter what they promise, that's one thing i have learned.
 
I just don't understand why you think the Wii is kiddie-like. Were the PS2 or Xbox kiddie-like? The Wii is more powerful then the PS2 and roughly on par with the Xbox. Art style can be kiddie-like (though the art style for Nintendo games aren't, if anything it designed for everyone). Look at the Wii game Mad World, it has an art style that's just as "mature" as any 360/PS3 game.

Oh Please... The Wii is a kiddie system. The only games they have that are aimed towards adults are games like COD and .... well I cant think of any more. But the games and the graphics are all kiddie style and look like cartoons.
The ONLY place where the 360 and PS3 screwed up was thinking their system was worth 400-600 bucks. If they were a little bit more realistic and were priced the SAME as the Wii...the wii would be in 3rd place for sales. The little gimmic controllers and the price are/were the only thing that kept Nintendo alive. And I doubt that either Micro or Sony will copy those gimmic controllers. Besides they dont even work half the time.
So when they start the next gen consoles Nintendo will be back to 3rd or 4th place.
And I dont agree that the Wii graphics are about equall to regular xbox...Not even close..Sorry
 
If they were a little bit more realistic and were priced the SAME as the Wii...the wii would be in 3rd place for sales.

And they'd be losing a ton on every system, more even than they do now, and still be profiting less from the system sales than Nintendo does with Wii. Pricing the systems any lower isn't a good idea to classify as "realistic." Even two years later, the manufacturing costs on the stripped-down PS3 are still brutal, and dropping the hardware backwards compatibility was a desperation measure and not one anyone at the company felt great about.

Anyway, PS3 sales aren't really weak enough to occasion this kind of discussion. The foot's in the door for Blu-Ray, HD-DVD is defeated, 360 faces a gradual decline (one which Microsoft is already hinting they will attempt to "jump" by making the switch to newer hardware sooner than expected), and you're likely to see PS3 profitability gradually increase over the next several years. Wii system sales are strong, but they have a software problem in which they've yet to make much of a dent, so future profitability is more questionable than with a burgeoning medium like Blu-Ray and Sony's major (and majorly delayed) plans for online stuff. PS4 will leverage that last in particular, and probably won't market itself as a home computer-level purchase--but PS3 will have a lifetime similar to that of PS2 (which is still on top worldwide) so there's plenty of room for the outlook to change.

Note: I have all of 'em and hence don't feel like I'm on a "side," as so many inexplicably do. Just trying to call it as I see it.
 
Oh Please... The Wii is a kiddie system. The only games they have that are aimed towards adults are games like COD and .... well I cant think of any more. But the games and the graphics are all kiddie style and look like cartoons.

Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Okami... and of course many of the games you would dismiss as "kiddie" games appeal to a very wide audience and thus the classification of "kiddie" is totally incorrect. Certainly the Wii's software library is not as strong as it could be, but your "kiddie" claim isn't correct.

Something that people seem to forget is that it doesn't matter so much if MS/Sony makes a profit on each unit sold... that's not how this market generally works. Nintendo in this generation has been an anomaly. What matters is if their game divisions are profitable as a whole, and that includes money from DLC, the licensing fees on each game sold, etc. They sell you the razor so you'll buy the blades. So no, I don't think there will be a significant shift in the next generation of consoles. The business model MS and Sony are using isn't exploding like Nintendo's is, but that doesn't mean it's a failure either.
 
Both Nintendo and Sony were No. 1 when they shot themselves in the foot with their third generation console. I wonder what Microsoft will do to screw up the Xbox 720. :lol:
 
Both the "PS4" and "720" will be super high end machines, Sony and Microsoft are aiming at more than just gaming with these machines.

I also hope it's far too early to be talking about this, I want another 3 years out of these boxes before the next ones hit.
 
Both the "PS4" and "720" will be super high end machines, Sony and Microsoft are aiming at more than just gaming with these machines.

I also hope it's far too early to be talking about this, I want another 3 years out of these boxes before the next ones hit.

I Agree and I believe both will copy each machines high points.

As for when we will see each new machine?
Well the are rumors that MS will make the 1 year jump again and I'm also reading they may do it 2010. Who knows though.
There are also rumors of a new "slim" 360 in wild that may be a test for the newer machine, again who knows.

http://www.split-screen.com/2008/09/27/microsoft-india-reveals-xbox-360-slim/#more-540
 
And I dont agree that the Wii graphics are about equall to regular xbox...Not even close..Sorry

Gamecube's graphics were better than the PS2s, about the same, if not better sometimes than the first XBOX, and had the best Sound out of all 3 consoles.

Tech Specs

Yeah, but Nintendo usually uses bright colours and "happy" looking graphics. there are many gamers that who if they dont see photo realistic or depressingly dark and gloomy graphics immediately dismiss them as poor or "kiddie".
 
And I dont agree that the Wii graphics are about equall to regular xbox...Not even close..Sorry

Gamecube's graphics were better than the PS2s, about the same, if not better sometimes than the first XBOX, and had the best Sound out of all 3 consoles.

Tech Specs

Yeah, but Nintendo usually uses bright colours and "happy" looking graphics. there are many gamers that who if they dont see photo realistic or depressingly dark and gloomy graphics immediately dismiss them as poor or "kiddie".

That's a good point, people were too busy critisizing Wind Waker's style before realizing how amazing it looked. Still one of the most visually stunning games I've played in a while. Then of course, there's F-Zero, which was just amazing! And not to forget, RE4 which has "the grit"

Most PS2 games were beyond fugly for the first 2 years the system was out. After that, everyone got better at doing graphics on it. Whereas Super Mario Sunshine was visually awesome right out of the gate.
 
And I dont agree that the Wii graphics are about equall to regular xbox...Not even close..Sorry

Gamecube's graphics were better than the PS2s, about the same, if not better sometimes than the first XBOX, and had the best Sound out of all 3 consoles.

Tech Specs

On paper I guess but a lot of developers didn't seem able to coax those superior graphics out of it. Resident Evil 4 was quite amazing but most games seem a little behind their brothers on the other consoles.

I bought a used one for my five-year-old nephew (who loves it more than I could have imagined) and the small size, light weight, ease of use and little handle are really cool when you want to tote it to your friends and grandparents' houses.
 
And I dont agree that the Wii graphics are about equall to regular xbox...Not even close..Sorry

Gamecube's graphics were better than the PS2s, about the same, if not better sometimes than the first XBOX, and had the best Sound out of all 3 consoles.

Tech Specs

On paper I guess but a lot of developers didn't seem able to coax those superior graphics out of it. Resident Evil 4 was quite amazing but most games seem a little behind their brothers on the other consoles.

I bought a used one for my five-year-old nephew (who loves it more than I could have imagined) and the small size, light weight, ease of use and little handle are really cool when you want to tote it to your friends and grandparents' houses.

The "Lunchbox handle" was genius IMO
 
The "Lunchbox handle" was genius IMO

People often say that Nintendo have adopted Apple's design aesthetic with the DS and Wii, in truth it started long before that when they ripped off the iMac carry handle. :lol:

When you think about it.

Ya, you could carry an xbox, but it weighed 100 lbs.

PS2 wasn't as heavy but really no way to get a firm grip on it. Know what I'm saying?

Gamecube, lightweight with a handle. Industrial design at it's finest.
 
Well, if the rumour is true that Gearbox is working on Halo 4 (and people may want to be wary, given the reaction that BiA:HH is getting), most likely they're making it with the next Xbox in mind. I think at that point, consoles will be ready to make the jump to DX10.
Sony's dev cycle is kind of screwed up to the point where the PS3 will probably be competing with the next Xbox for at least 2 or 3 years.

As for trying to mimic the Wii, both companies are trying to do that already - hence the "New Xbox Experience" and SIXAXIS. But I doubt they'll try to compete in the same casual space by trying to have extremely low cost and relatively less powerful hardware.

One thing is that games on Wii simply do not sell as much as games on 360 or PS3. Of course, what people like to bring up is that in the 50-11 NPDs, Wii software is fairly pervasive, I honestly doubt that compares to the number of copies of GTA4 sold. That's the thing with trying to hit that casual mass market. With the "enthusiast", you have people who want to play games as they come out in the same way that people go to watch movies every weekend during the summer. Not so much with casual owners of the Wii. And even then, while Nintendo software sells, their own studies show that most people only play their games for a short time. For example, they found that nearly half of all Wii Fit owners abandon the game after the first week.

I dunno, I guess it depends on how these companies want to make games and their future strategies. Now that Nintendo has the cash, they may try to do something that broadens the casual market yet is also high end. Microsoft could go the other way... and Sony might be trying to push the next high definition format (Rainbow-Ray, it has lasers in every colour!).
 
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