Placement with DS9

[Methuselah Flint]

Hi guys,

Am I right in thinking that DS9 starts the early part of TNG's season 6.

Then we get Birthright and the DS9 episode with the Duras sisters.

Then into TNG season 7, Firstborn takes place a few months after that early DS9 episode.

If this is all correct, does that mean the bulk of seasons 1 and 2, and the early part of season 3 of DS9 up to at least Defiant, is pre-Generations? I.e. Is there a couple of years of Enterprise D post-All Good Things and pre-Generations?

 

[The Wormhole]

DS9 starts roughly half way through TNG season 6. Chain of Command was the last TNG episode to air before DS9 premiered, and indeed the stardate of Emissary does place it between Chain of Command and Ship in a Bottle.

TNG season 6 corresponds with DS9 season 1 and TNG season 7 with DS9 season 2. Firstborn takes place well over a year after DS9's Past Prologue, the episode with the Duras sisters.

The stardate for Generations places it between the third season DS9 episodes The Die is Cast and Explorers, so in other words everything before Explorers on DS9 is pre-Generations. Generations is nearly eight months after All Good Things.

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Great, thanks for that! Just curious about these lines from Firstborn that got me thinking originally :

RIKER: At one point they were at Deep Space Nine, trying to sell bilitrium explosives.
K'MTAR: That was months ago. No one knows where they went from there.

I'm probably being picky, but to me that suggests the sisters were at the station under a year prior.

 

[Tosk]

People don't always round up or down correctly. Plus, K'Mtar is a time travelling liar.

 

[Timo]

Add to that the idea of alien years and months. The roughly 1,300 stardates separating "Firstborn" from the events of "Past Prologue" would be something like 16 Earth months on the average and all things considered (and is close to the separation between the actual airdates, too), but "K'Mtar" doesn't hail from Earth, and even the Universal Translator appears to leave certain things untouched (Vulcan has locally named months, say, despite having no moon).

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mojochi]

Shit in a Bottle.

I'll hope that was a typo & not a commentary lol

 

[Terok Nor]

I'll hope that was a typo & not a commentary lol

Caught my eye too

 

[JesterFace]

Shit in a Bottle.

I hope it's a typo because I like 'Ship in a Bottle'.
If it's not a typo, you have made an enemy today, not a very strong enemy though.

 

[Damian]

I'll hope that was a typo & not a commentary lol

I hope it's a typo because I like 'Ship in a Bottle'.
If it's not a typo, you have made an enemy today, not a very strong enemy though.

Ha-ha. I liked that episode as well. I was starting to wonder, uh-oh, is that another one of those cases where I like something that everyone else hates.

Like "Spectre of the Gun", "And the Children Shall Lead" and everyone's favorite whipping boy "Nemesis".

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It’s just a post from the add, remove, replace a letter game.

Shit In A Bottle, in a holographic recreation of South Park, Mr Hanky becomes sentient.

 

[The Wormhole]

Great, thanks for that! Just curious about these lines from Firstborn that got me thinking originally :

RIKER: At one point they were at Deep Space Nine, trying to sell bilitrium explosives.
K'MTAR: That was months ago. No one knows where they went from there.

I'm probably being picky, but to me that suggests the sisters were at the station under a year prior.

Well, the stardates would place Firstborn seventeen months after Past Prologue. So, it is multiple months involved. Also, I'll add that Firstborn's stardate places it between DS9's Blood Oath and The Maquis Part 1.

I'll hope that was a typo & not a commentary lol

I hope it's a typo because I like 'Ship in a Bottle'.
If it's not a typo, you have made an enemy today, not a very strong enemy though.

Yes, it was a typo. I've fixed it.

 

[Orac]

DS9 starts roughly half way through TNG season 6. Chain of Command was the last TNG episode to air before DS9 premiered, and indeed the stardate of Emissary does place it between Chain of Command and Ship in a Bottle.

TNG season 6 corresponds with DS9 season 1 and TNG season 7 with DS9 season 2. Firstborn takes place well over a year after DS9's Past Prologue, the episode with the Duras sisters.

The stardate for Generations places it between the third season DS9 episodes The Die is Cast and Explorers, so in other words everything before Explorers on DS9 is pre-Generations. Generations is nearly eight months after All Good Things.

If memory serves Explorers is the first episode with Sisko's beard. It's a false one and he doesn't actually sport a real one 'til the next episode. Amiright?

 

[Tosk]

Right ep. And it certainly looks different to the beard in all subsequent eps. I'm guessing they glued a fake one on to cover Avery's real one growing in (to aid continuity) until it was long enough to keep at a standard length.

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Well, the stardates would place Firstborn seventeen months after Past Prologue. So, it is multiple months involved. Also, I'll add that Firstborn's stardate places it between DS9's Blood Oath and The Maquis Part 1.


Yes, it was a typo. I've fixed it.

Ah yes that's true. The Maquis episodes have to synch up between TNG and DS9. I forgot about that!

 

[Prax]

Ah yes that's true. The Maquis episodes have to synch up between TNG and DS9. I forgot about that!

For the Maquis, they are introduced in DS9's "The Maquis"

TNG's "Preemptive Strike" takes place 2 months later, and references events from the DS9 episode.

Voyager's "Caretaker" takes place 5 or 6 months after the TNG episode.

DS9's "Defiant" takes place 6 months after caretaker

DS9's "For The Cause" takes place 15 months after Defiant

DS9's "For the Uniform" takes place 9 months after For the Cause

DS9's "Blaze of Glory" takes place 4 or 5 months after For the Uniform
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Voyager's "Hunters" takes place 8 months after Blaze of Glory

Voyager's "Extreme Risk" takes place another 8 months later.

Voyager's "Repression" Takes place 2 years after that.

It was kinda fun looking this up. I didn't realize there were so few episodes dealing with the main Maquis storyline.

 

[The Wormhole]

For the Maquis, they are introduced in DS9's "The Maquis"

Although the episode The Maquis picks up on plot threads laid down in TNG Journey's End. The Maquis Part 1 is set eighteen days after Journey's End.

 

[Timo]

...Which is a pretty short time to completely rework the basics of the premise!

In the TNG episode, the issue is one of relocating colonies from areas that are about to become Cardassian territory after having been under UFP rule and vice versa. There is no fuzzy Zone yet, and the redrawing of the borders will mean sharp changes in jurisdiction and ownership.

In the DS9 episode, the Zone now exists, and contains a mixture of colonies under UFP or Cardassian rule, some with apparently relatively long histories. It seems as if the TNG relocation scheme was dropped, the border was not moved after all, and as the direct result the UFP and Cardassian colonies remained intermixed, allowing for the harassment schemes.

Would politicians move that fast? Or is this rather a case of them choosing not to make a move after all, instead slapping a "temporary" band-aid over status quo by inventing the DMZ? Perhaps the idea was to proceed with the relocations in due course, oh, the next twenty years or so...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[MakeshiftPython]

For the Maquis, they are introduced in DS9's "The Maquis"

TNG's "Preemptive Strike" takes place 2 months later, and references events from the DS9 episode.

Voyager's "Caretaker" takes place 5 or 6 months after the TNG episode.

DS9's "Defiant" takes place 6 months after caretaker

DS9's "For The Cause" takes place 15 months after Defiant

DS9's "For the Uniform" takes place 9 months after For the Cause

DS9's "Blaze of Glory" takes place 4 or 5 months after For the Uniform
-
Voyager's "Hunters" takes place 8 months after Blaze of Glory

Voyager's "Extreme Risk" takes place another 8 months later.

Voyager's "Repression" Takes place 2 years after that.

It was kinda fun looking this up. I didn't realize there were so few episodes dealing with the main Maquis storyline.

I'm surprised there's so few as well, but then again it was all originally set up for VOYAGER, only for that show to ultimately downplay it due to Berman wanting a unified crew.

There was a moment where Chakotay began telling Kazon-Nog "my people taught me a man does not own land" and my reaction was "YOU STARTED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OVER LAND DISPUTE!!"

 

[Prax]

Chakotay's kinda atypical for his people. He thought they were backward and stupid. When his parents(or family? Tribe?) was killed, he went out for revenge, quit Starfleet, got a tribal tattoo, and joined "the rebellion ."