Picard should have died in "Rascals" as soon as the Transporter beamed him aboard!

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Jayson1, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. Jayson1

    Jayson1 Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Think About! He has a artificial heart and after being turned into a kid he should have regenerated a new human heart. Since you can't have two things in the same place at one time his proper response once the beam effect wears off should have been to to keel over instantly like Jackson( I think that was the name) in the TOS Halloween episode. Or worst since his body wouldn't have been put back together he should have yelled out like those poor Transporter people in The Motion Picture" and turned into whatever it was they were turned into.

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  2. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That's your only problem with transporters changing people's DNA and then instantly rebuilding the same body they would have if they were born with that DNA?
     
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  3. Tosk

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    They were made younger, not turned back into the actual kids they were decades earlier. His heart would remain right where it was. Maybe it'd be a bit snug in there, but there's no reason for his original heart to just magically reappear.
     
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    ^that, or all technology in the 24th century is intelligent enough to know when to conveniently disappear in a subspace pocket or something similar, and when to magically re-appear after 're-aging' Picard :)
     
  5. retroenzo

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    If the heart had been recreated then it's reasonable to have accepted that the transporter could create fully functional working human (/alien) organs. As a result, I'm sure they could have given Neelix a replacement pair of lungs from transporter tech.

    However, this idea should also have spread to young Picard's new full head of hair. I think he should have been a young bald kid but then immediately start regrowing hair at the normal rate.
     
  6. Jayson1

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    Considering that two of the people are aliens in Ro and Guinan shouldn't they have been effected somewhat differently as well because they wouldn't have human DNA. Also how does your memories stay the same if your entire body has been altered, including your brains?

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  7. Herbert

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    Sure, why not? Speculating about what would have happened in a fictional situation that has no basis in fact using science fiction technology that hasn't been invented yet and may never be. Okay, like I said sure why not? Picard should have fallen over dead. Or not. Who the fudge really knows?
     
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  8. psCargile

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    Gonna hafta concede to Jayson's logic on this one.

    Oops. Maybe Q intervened behind the scenes.
     
  9. Arpy

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    Kinda.

    But the transporter has safeguards for lots of things, including alien pathogens and concealed weapons -- both blade weapons and energy ones, which it can deactivate mid-transport. Given all the work it went through to even rematerialize them at all, as radically different entities than when they began, I have no problem with it deleting the artificial heart as easily as it did Ro's breasts -- or, as retroenzo noted, as easily as it magically added Picard's fully regrown hair. Even that their oversized clothes didn't half materialize inside them is strange.
     
  10. Mojochi

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    Not sure about the OP, but it does stretch believability that the size difference in a child's coronary circulatory anatomy & an adult's would be comparably able to fit the same device
     
  11. at Quark's

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    Well, it's an incredibly believable episode anyway, with a few renegade Ferengi in old Klingon BOP's being able to take the Federation flagship, with the supposedly most elite Starfleet crew,by surprise, and the 'kids' the only ones who can salvage the situation.....
     
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  12. Herbert

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    Maybe they had Batman's help. You know, Batman can defeat any foe if given enough time.
     
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  13. alensatemybuick1

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    This thread reminds of going to see Superman: The Movie with a friend, who exclaimed when Superman made time go backwards by reversing Earth's orbit: "now THAT'S impossible!"
     
  14. Prax

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    How do you know that reversing the Earth's rotation wouldn't reverse time?

    Have you ever done it?!?!
     
  15. Makarov

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    I think the writers only remembered the artificial heart in a handful of episodes.
     
  16. Nakita Akita

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    Lol!
    Guinin was supposed to be extremely old also.( She looked exactly the same in the 1800's San Frsncisco) So she would have come back as her regular self. :lol:
     
  17. Herbert

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    Writers have a tendency to forget things and that leads to inconsistencies. That's why you need a continuity expert on staff to catch these things. Of course, some TV shows are really concerned with continuity.
     
  18. Herbert

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    As opposed to the stretching of belief that there could be a machine that deconstructs you on the molecular level, transports those molecules to another location and then reconstructs the molecules back into the same human form? And also that said machine could malfunction and revert those transported people from adult to children?
    My disbelief is stretched from here to Mars. :vulcan:
     
  19. Jayson1

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    Well that is always the case with sci-fi or even none sci-fi. Does it make sense that on Law and Order" you can have the same two cops arrest someone, get the same lawyer every week involved and have a trial take place in what at best might be a couple of weeks. Nitpicking is for fun.:) Still even in the made up world of tv and movies you still have things that feel like a stretch even by those standards though what that is tends to be up to each individual. Me when it comes to Trek there has been just enough things that make me feel like TOS and Berman era is part of the same shared universe. "Discovery" on the other hand feels like a reboot or at best something that takes place in a alternate timeline kind of like the Kelvin Universe. Not sure why by RO and Guinan being effected just like the humans feels more possible than a disapearing artifical heart. Granted even if they did a tech excuse to explain it away I would probably still dislike the episode because that isn't enough of a thing to ruin a episode.


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  20. Mojochi

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    Both of your examples are explained phenomena in the narrative, even if that explanation is a mysterious anomaly. Mine is not, and thereby takes the viewer out of the moment, once realized, for lack of having explained it. If it had been Geordi on the transporter pad, & we could see that the visor didn't fit his anatomy anymore, they would have to address that, one way or another. That Picard's prosthesis is not as readily observable does not remove the need to address it, merely because of that fact