Picard alternate timeline?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Saumyajit, May 16, 2022.

  1. Saumyajit

    Saumyajit Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Now that the Jurati merged with Borg Queen back in 2024, has it changed the entire TNG/Discovery timeline? What are the theories?

    Apologies if this has already been discussed elsewhere.
     
  2. Saumyajit

    Saumyajit Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Sorry read that as TNG/Voyager timeline.
     
  3. Tuskin38

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    It's not an alternate timeline.
    Guinan even points this out in the final episode.
     
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  4. Saumyajit

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    But how does it all tie together? Would the Borg still remain the species that would try to destroy humanity during TNG?
     
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    If something that happens in a Trek episode makes people feel uncomfortable with the injustices they tolerate or promote, then that Star Trek takes place in our universe.
     
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  6. Tuskin38

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    They didn't replace the Borg in the prime timeline.

    Judging from the giant hole they ripped in the space time continuum in Episode 1, they crossed over from the other timeline. Or were maybe hiding outside of space time.
     
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  8. JoaquinSlowly

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    This was retweeted by Picard’s showrunner Terry Matalas.

    So the Borg we’re all familiar with are still around, and always have been, and the Queen that merged with Agnes this season is native to a dead/erased version of the timeline. This kind of after effect of correcting the timeline following an alteration has been seen before, in TNG’s Yesterday’s Enterprise, when the Tasha Yar of an altered universe survived the erasure of said universe, and conceived her daughter Sela.

    And so the new Borg coexist with the Borg we’ve always known, and who assimilated Seven and Picard. And ‪‪I believe that the farewell message from Jurati Queen to Seven & Raffi, before the message about 2 Renées/1 who lives and 1 who dies, seems to refer to her own existence alongside Borg as we’ve always known them:

     
  9. Saumyajit

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    Thanks. That's complicated but yes, it is a resolution.

    I would really hope the show ties up these loose ends in a definitive way in S3. Because it's obe thing to have minor ambiguities/variations but something if this scale which can potentially impact entire timelines, the writers have a responsibility to tie them up as part of the work.
     
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  10. Tuskin38

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    I think it's pretty clear from the final episode nothing drastic changed in the timeline.

    It doesn't need to be explained, the show showed us that it didn't change.
     
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    I don’t see it being that complicated but to each his own. The Borg weve always known continues to exist in some form or fashion. The Borg Queen merged with Jurati forming Borgati. Borgati chose not to merge with the 21st century collective instead forming her own. We’ll call it the Borgati Collective. The Borgati Collective stayed out of the way of history choosing to assimilate those who needed help and would die without it, also offering a choice*. They did this until 2401 when the transwarp conduit appeared and the 25th century events of Picard season 2 occurred.



    *This sentence admittedly is conjecture. Some have suggested maybe they remain completely out of the timeline. But there had to be a way La Sirena became what it did in 2501. And while there’s no confirmation, I find it hard to believe Borgati could do that all on her own.
     
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  12. Ar-Pharazon

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    Somewhere "our" Borg wouldn't find them and be likely to try and assimilate them.
     
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  13. Saumyajit

    Saumyajit Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I am not sure how it is obvious. Once they return back we just see things play out in the bridge. There's no indication how these events may or may not have affected the timeline.

    Either way, it should be inferrable from the show, not through theories in internet forums.
     
  14. Charles Phipps

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    Well, Jurati and the Borg Queen both know that changing the timeline would create a paradox. So they have to let history play out until the time it can be changed.

    Sadly, this wasn't explained.

    Probably because they assumed anyone watching was familiar with the "rules" of time travel.
     
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  15. gweeps

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    I'm going to think there's no real "Prime" timeline anymore. Doug Drexler thinks every show aired after ENT is in its own reality bubble b/c of the Temporal Cold War. However to believe this, you'd have to believe that ENT was the original Prime Timeline, meaning everything after that show is in fractured realities, and then you add all the timey wimey shenanigans beyond the TCW.
     
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  16. Tuskin38

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    Well Enterprise was a prequel. Any changes made to the timeline that happen in Enterprise already happened from the perspective of the shows set after Enterprise.

    Don't think of Enterprise being after TOS+ think of it in chronological order.

    It was to me. :shrug:
    The Queen on the bridge of the Stargazer in episode 1 was the exact same queen on the bridge in the final episode, the merged Queen Jurati.

    Only differences in Episode 1 is that Picard and Co. hadn't experienced the timeline she came from yet, so they didn't know to trust her.
     
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  17. F. King Daniel

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    Since it was all Q's doing, I suggest that at the time he snaps his fingers for the last time, the evil Borg of TNG and Voyager are replaced with the benevolent ones we see and the timeline is about as fine as it was after "All Good Things"
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    There’s evidence in the show itself that explains what happens that doesn’t need that kind of head canon