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pc anti-virus advice needed please.

K'Ehleyr

Commodore
Commodore
Oh wise ones...
Is it possible to have a machine running two accounts and only have an anti-virus actively on one?
Man has bought second machine round which he mainly wants to use for gaming. He has given me an account on it and wants me protected (and his machine!) as I will be compelled to come here and other nefarious places. Apparently though a resident anti-virus will slow down the running of the games, so I wondered if any of you had any idea if this could be done?
 
The easiest way without jumping through excessive hoops would be to partition the hard drive and instal an OS on the second drive and have a boot menu to choose which drive when you turn it on.

Downside is no fast-user-switching, which shouldn't be that much of a problem.

I believe that you are not technically breaking the license agreement if you instal the same Windows license on two partions of the same drive (obviously running on the same machine). In any case, this will run fine with no problems from activation standpoint. You can then instal an anti-virus on one partition and not the other.

You would still want to be cautious about running the gaming partition without anti-virus, it could get infected in the boot sector and/or infect the other partition, and while it could be cleaned, it would be more difficult. If use was limited to gaming only on established trusted gaming networks, no porn, no downloads, no emails, then it should be fine.
 
I wouldn't recommend not installing a anti-Virus on the gaming side. Whats a little extra room taken up/maybe some lag in order to protect your PC? If he's a big gamer anyway wouldn't this PC have a high quality video card and good memory? A anti-virus shouldn't be all to bad with a good gaming PC. I also don't trust the fact he's not going to use it to occasionally go to a porn site which carry lots of virus threats.
 
The easiest way without jumping through excessive hoops would be to partition the hard drive and instal an OS on the second drive and have a boot menu to choose which drive when you turn it on.

Downside is no fast-user-switching, which shouldn't be that much of a problem.

I believe that you are not technically breaking the license agreement if you instal the same Windows license on two partions of the same drive (obviously running on the same machine). In any case, this will run fine with no problems from activation standpoint. You can then instal an anti-virus on one partition and not the other.

You would still want to be cautious about running the gaming partition without anti-virus, it could get infected in the boot sector and/or infect the other partition, and while it could be cleaned, it would be more difficult. If use was limited to gaming only on established trusted gaming networks, no porn, no downloads, no emails, then it should be fine.

Thanks LS. Was trying to avoid that option but it would seem the only way. Personally I don't see why it's a problem, but he's being pernickaty :rolleyes:

I wouldn't recommend not installing a anti-Virus on the gaming side. Whats a little extra room taken up/maybe some lag in order to protect your PC? If he's a big gamer anyway wouldn't this PC have a high quality video card and good memory? A anti-virus shouldn't be all to bad with a good gaming PC. I also don't trust the fact he's not going to use it to occasionally go to a porn site which carry lots of virus threats.

Man is not doing online gaming, just pc games.
And he doesn't need porn, trust me, he has me :klingon:


First to say...

Buy a Mac!

Zing!

If only I'd have chosen... :rolleyes:
 
Install this: Microsoft Security Essentials. Once it installs, it disappears from your awareness, takes very, very few resources, and protects your system on all fronts. It's also free. I play very PC intensive games, and I have this installed. You won't even know it's there, and it doesn't reduce performance.
 
Install this: Microsoft Security Essentials. Once it installs, it disappears from your awareness, takes very, very few resources, and protects your system on all fronts. It's also free. I play very PC intensive games, and I have this installed. You won't even know it's there, and it doesn't reduce performance.

Thanks Sarek, will point Man in that direction :)

Rek ~ I know nothing about gaming, but I just know Macs come in nicer colours :hugegrin: Man has got a great machine with a huge graphics card, a big black flat screen and a totally horrendous old white keyboard ~ I mean aesthetically, it is not pleasing :lol:
Less of the anti-virus and more of the 'I'm going on-line tomorrow to buy a nice shiney new black keyboard' me-thinks!
I'm a girl ~ it's how we see things :rolleyes:
 
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Speaking as a hardcore PC/MMO and game system gamer, I know for a fact that Mac has a lot less games to choose from because lots of games wont run in Mac. Of course you could get a program to "run a PC simulation on Mac" in order to play a game, but that also has problems sometimes and whats the point? Just get a real PC.
 
First to say...

Buy a Mac!

Zing!

:rolleyes:

yeah, pay twice as much for a comparable system when you could just drop a few bucks for antivirus software, or better yet use one of the free ones.

:rolleyes:

That's not quite as accurate a statement as most people would like to believe, and ignores matters of quality, hidden costs, customer satisfaction, and more. Yeah, you can get a cheap ass PC for $500 instead of a $1200 iMac. Then try to get some real work done. I wish you luck.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2009/tc20090415_602968.htm?campaign_id=yhoo

Microsoft and its hardware partners wouldn't have to make this [pricing] case had they focused less in the past decade on driving prices down and more on quality. Forrester Research (FORR) recently released results of a study of consumer experiences with computer companies, assessing their view of a machine's usefulness, usability, and enjoyability. Apple ran the table in all three categories, well ahead of Gateway (now a unit of Acer), HP, and Dell (DELL).

PC makers in the Windows camp have done everything possible to make their products progressively worse by cutting corners to save pennies per unit and boost sales volume. There's good reason Apple is seeing healthy profits while grabbing market share. It refuses to budge on quality and so charges a higher price. Rather than running ads that seem clever at first but really aren't, the Windows guys ought to take the hint and just build better computers.

To the topic at hand, if all you're going to do on the gaming partition is play games -- no web surfing, email, file transfers, etc -- then you can probably get away with not having an antivirus program. Just be diligent about making downloads (like game addons, cheats, etc) on your protected system. But if you plan to load Internet Exploder to do anything other than getting Firefox, then do get some kind of protection.
 
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That's not quite as accurate a statement as most people would like to believe, and ignores matters of quality, hidden costs, customer satisfaction, and more. Yeah, you can get a cheap ass PC for $500 instead of a $1200 iMac. Then try to get some real work done. I wish you luck.

Speaking from personal experience, I've been doing 'real work' on a PC (and mainly laptops lately) for over a decade now.
No computer comes without it's faults, but Apple is simply speaking not worth the price if you ask me.
Why?
I need compatibility for my Windows programs and games to run.
A Mac cannot guarantee that.
Add to the fact that just because you pay through the nose for an Apple product, 'quality' is a relative term and doesn't mean you always get what you pay for.

Furthermore, I had low budget PC's and laptops outlasting both Apple and PC computers on a regular basis.
Viruses are rarely an issue for me (common sense and a free antivirus come a long way), and as I know, there are various viruses for Mac's as well (not as widespread as on a PC, but still poses a great deal of threat).

It comes down to personal preference, but for my own needs, a Mac is essentially the same as a PC with twice the price of a hardware and an OS that is incompatible with most of the programs I use and need.

Besides, Mac's are usually used by people who are not into technology for the most part and have been 'banging their heads' against the Windows OS (which works fine actually and Vista/7 have been far more user-friendly in constrast to the previous versions).
 
NOD32 is a good anti-virus program that isn't very intrusive. Hardly notice it's there, especially during gaming. Small footprint too.
 
Viruses are rarely an issue for me (common sense and a free antivirus come a long way), and as I know, there are various viruses for Mac's as well (not as widespread as on a PC, but still poses a great deal of threat).

There are no viruses for Mac OS X, a dozen or two malware titles though, that you have to manually install yourself.
(a small explanation)

I work with Mac OS X since 2004 and have been working with Windows since 1992, and have encountered numerous viruses for Windows in the 90s but since I learnt to protect myself with the help of AntiVir and my brain, I haven't had a virus since 2000.

On the topic of productivity:

I work at two companies as an editing assistant, one uses Windows + Avid, the other uses Mac OS X + Avid, and when I have to use Windows I always end up using more time to get the process of work running compared to Mac OS X.

But it comes down to preference and ones' logic and process of thought. Therefore some people better fare with using Windows, some with using Mac OS X and some with any of the other OSs out there.
My brain is perfectly comfortable with Mac OS X and gets frustrated when using Windows. And I have seen it the other way around too.
 
'spinnerlys', as I already said, there aren't that many viruses for a Mac, but there are various ones in different flavours, and some of them will infect the system on their own if you stumble on a webpage with the right one or stupidly click on ads and popups (however, most viruses, evenm those for Windows, require user interaction to run ... because when you come down to it, users are interacting with the Internet all the time, so the danger of picking up a virus or malware rests on them).

My own cerebral cortex is rather comfortable with Windows and I do not really encounter issues.
Heck I also never experience degradation of the OS speed over time (from XP to 7 because I know how to run basic maintenance and hot to keep the thing clean - most of which is unknown to a lot of people who use computers).
I tried Mac OS and wasn't really impressed, plus it didn't really provide me with anything that I cannot do in Windows (furthermore, Mac created more problems because some programs I use are non-existent for Macs ... and to top it all off, the price tag of a Mac is simply too much and is downright stealing if you ask me - I couldn't care less about aesthetics of a laptop or a desktop, I care more about just how powerful the components inside the machine are and what they can do, while offering that power at a reasonable pricetag - not to mention the fact I found dozens of PC laptops and desktops that have a much more inviting design in contrast to the Macs, and their functionality was exceptional - but, that's just my experience and opinion).

Now, let's get back to the original question of this topic, which I think went something like this:
Is it possible to have a machine running two accounts and only have an anti-virus actively on one?
Man has bought second machine round which he mainly wants to use for gaming. He has given me an account on it and wants me protected (and his machine!) as I will be compelled to come here and other nefarious places. Apparently though a resident anti-virus will slow down the running of the games, so I wondered if any of you had any idea if this could be done?

The answer is 'yes'.
From what I understood, you are saying that your 'man' will have 2 accounts on the computer (one for himself and one for you).
If that is the case, all he has to do is install the antivirus on his own (administrator) account and then create your account (with or without administrator priviledges).
Most, if not all of the programs from the administrator account would be vissible/accessible in a guest account (or a second administrator account), plus these days, programs usually ask you if you want to install a particular program for just yourself or everyone who uses this computer (other accounts).

I recommend choosing ONE from the following 3 programs (all of which are free, highly effective in protecting the computer and do not reduce performance in any capacity - there is simply 0 need for a paid antivirus these days):

Microsoft Security Essentials, Avast 5 (free) or Avira 10 (free).
 
Oh wise ones...
Is it possible to have a machine running two accounts and only have an anti-virus actively on one?

The trouble is, the only thing keeping the accounts separate is the operating system.

So if the operating system is compromised, then all parts of the hard drive (all accounts) are compromised equally.

The only way of doing what you are asking here is separate hard drives for you both. (Separate partitions is no good, because it would be the same hard drive.)

This is easily possible if you install a hard drive caddy. You would each then need/have a disk that you'd plug into the front of the computer when you wanted to use it.

Imagine something like those coloured data bricks they used in TOS :p
 
'spinnerlys', as I already said, there aren't that many viruses for a Mac, but there are various ones in different flavours, and some of them will infect the system on their own if you stumble on a webpage with the right one or stupidly click on ads and popups (however, most viruses, evenm those for Windows, require user interaction to run ... because when you come down to it, users are interacting with the Internet all the time, so the danger of picking up a virus or malware rests on them).

Hi Deks, I don't wanna start some stupid fight here, but can you point me to some articles or other documents, that show, Mac OS X can be infected by viruses? As I stated before, I use Mac OS X for almost six years, and I have visited some shady sites in my time and have never encountered any kind of malware, viruses included.

I was very active on one of those Mac OS X help fora and whenever the topic of viruses and Mac OS X pops up, there were literally dozens, if not hundreds, replies, showing Mac OS X has no circulating virus threats.

There were viruses for Mac OS 8/9, but that was it.


What is the difference between viruses, worms, and Trojans?

shortened excerpt:

What is a virus?
A computer virus is a small program written to alter the way a computer operates, without the permission or knowledge of the user.
A virus must meet two criteria:
It must execute itself. It often places its own code in the path of execution of another program.
It must replicate itself. For example, it may replace other executable files with a copy of the virus infected file. Viruses can infect desktop computers and network servers alike.​

What is a Trojan horse?
Trojan horses are impostors—files that claim to be something desirable but, in fact, are malicious. A very important distinction between Trojan horse programs and true viruses is that they do not replicate themselves. Trojan horses contain malicious code that when triggered cause loss, or even theft, of data. For a Trojan horse to spread, you must invite these programs onto your computers; for example, by opening an email attachment or downloading and running a file from the Internet.

What is a worm?
Worms are programs that replicate themselves from system to system without the use of a host file. This is in contrast to viruses, which requires the spreading of an infected host file. Although worms generally exist inside of other files, often Word or Excel documents, there is a difference between how worms and viruses use the host file. Usually the worm will release a document that already has the "worm" macro inside the document. The entire document will travel from computer to computer, so the entire document should be considered the worm.
 
^^ While everything you noted is technically correct, it's a little like the difference between scientific theory, and the way the word, theory, is colloquially used by the common man. Whether a bad thing is a virus, trojan, or worm is relevant only to the diagnosticians. To everybody else, bad things are viruses. And, therefore, the spirit of Deks' statement -- that Macs are not invulnerable -- is valid.
 
^^ While everything you noted is technically correct, it's a little like the difference between scientific theory, and the way the word, theory, is colloquially used by the common man. Whether a bad thing is a virus, trojan, or worm is relevant only to the diagnosticians. To everybody else, bad things are viruses. And, therefore, the spirit of Deks' statement -- that Macs are not invulnerable -- is valid.

I'm not saying what Deks said is invalid, just that there are no known viruses that currently affect Mac OS X. As trojans and other malware have to be installed manually, and a virus does not, there is a difference in the approach of threats to an OS.

I know there are some trojans, which piggyback on some torrents (iWork and PS) and maybe some obscure installers for some kind of video players for video on porn sites.

But in the end, there are many ways to ruin a good installation of any OS, be it Windows, Linus, Solaris or Mac OS X or whatever one chose to use, and those ways don't even have to involve malware.
 
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