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Parent to teenager bonding ~ both sides of story welcome

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What kind of relationship do you have?
I had found the love of my life... my soulmate... we lived and loved a lifetime, until a distracted driver took him from me. We were not legally allowed to be married, but in our hearts and before GOD we were. I am a widower.

I honestly doubt I shall ever find another love. I spend so much time taking care of Mom... and no one wants a relationship with a single guy who has all that 'baggage'. However, I am content with my lot in life, because during the time Tony and I were together, he gave me enough love to last a lifetime.

I'm sorry to cut the rest of your lovely post but this bit just had me a bit wet eyed.
Oh Sector 7, how long ago was this? Please don't give up, hang on to the memories but you never know what will happen. You can have two great loves in life (quote Charlotte SATC;)) x
It has been a few years since he was taken from me. I could love again, but I spend so much time and effort taking care of Mom... most gay guys I have known are much too self-centered to share me with her. Even my ex-girlfriend [denial period] wanted me to put Mom in a nursing home. Tony wanted me to "carry on" (whatever that really means) so I don't have that guilt. I just don't get out that much to meet other guys socially. Dad jokingly says, "It's like house arrest without the bracelet!"
^ I believe it was. And even though the question was not directed at me, I don't emotionally connect very often. I tend to unconsciously insulate myself from others. I also have a difficult time opening up about myself. Actually my doing so previously in this thread was a very unnerving thing for me.
It is also difficult for me to connect deeply. I am outgoing and friendly... unless I like someone, then I withdraw somewhat.
 
In answer to the questions about emotional connections and compartmentalizing: I have some very close friends, and am deeply connected to them, so I don't think I am deficient in that way. Though I let only a very few people get close to me. I don't suppose I always make the most healthy emotional connections, either. I've never had any serious relationships, for example. I do not compartmentalize at all. My thinking is about as far from black and white as it can be.
 
"If some people treated their friends like they treat their kids, they wouldn't have any friends. " Not that you don't have to be the parent in this relationship, but treat kids like they are human beings."

How do you do that?
#1 When you have done something wrong to them say, "I was wrong; will you forgive me?" Helps if you really mean it.

#2 When they say or do something wrong, say "I forgive you!" (see the end of #1) PS Don't withhold forgiveness because the haven't groveled enough.

#3 Kids deserve more of a reason that "Because I said so!" Unless they are about to get hit by a train, we should tell them why we want them to do something, in which case the explanation can be given afterward.

#4 Let them experience the consequence of their (dumb) actions, unless they are morally threatening or life threatening.

Isn't that the way we treat our friends?

raf
 
Nice thread, K. It's been very interesting.

Well, I'm only just out of being a teenager myself, of course (I was 21 this week), but I think the last few years have been a period of genuine growth in my relationship with my mother. I'd heard the saying about parents - "first you love them, then you hate them, eventually you forgive them". I'm now in the "having forgiven" stage - my mother is a good woman and I no longer hold any real anger towards her. I rediscovered the strong love I initially had for her, but now in, I suppose you'd say, a more mature manner. That is, I'm quite aware of her faults and all those aspects of her attitude I disapprove of, and I don't seek to make excuses for them, but I also recognise that parenthood is a hard, hard job when you're doing it alone (even it is was largely her fault she had to do it alone in the first place) and that she was always there, always supportive in her way. She is deserving of my love and loyalty no matter my intellectual disatisfaction with some of her attitudes and behaviours. So any wounds have mostly healed, and we get along well.

You see, separating from her emotionally has always been very difficult for me, because we ended up bonding very closely in my earlier years - combined with my emotional dependency from the loss of my father, I ended up emotionally "intertwined" with her. Not the best outcome, as to be honest her emotional stability is not good. Nor is mine, of course, which is in part my point. I know quite well what aspects of myself come from her, and for a time I resented it, before I realized how unfair I was being. My mother is what and who she is, and she honestly did try her best and was ultimately successful at raising myself and my sister. So for a time I was angry, and while I'm still very sore about much of my life, my anger no longer directs at her.

Because my parents divorced and my family was sundered just as I was becoming old enough to pick up on the conflict, I was very, very insecure as a child. My sister, only half a year old at the time, is far more stable because she doesn't remember it. Having lost my father, I became very closely attached to my mother. That made it hard for her when I started (age 9-10) to distance myself from her. A natural and important part of a boy's development, but I don't think she got that. We were so close, so loving, but also began to really dislike each other and we didn't know how to disengage. Then, when I realized the reason I didn't have a father was because she wanted divorce then full custody because she "wasn't happy" (so I've managed to work out ; I still don't have full details), I resented it deeply. My emotional life has always been a tattered mess and I was furious that it was she who made it so. Yet I had only her in my life - I couldn't run to my father and proclaim him the "good guy" and turn mum into a "boo, hiss" villain, because she had been the one raising me. How can you turn on someone who has tried her hardest to raise you, care for you, provide for you? Who has done her best without hestitation? That was the pure frustration - I loved her deeply, was grateful to her in the extreme, yet I was so upset and frustrated at what I could only see as unthinking, unknowing abuse that I truly resented her.

So we had arguments. Surprisingly, 9 days out of 10 we were fine. As I say, that bond was so strong we couldn't truly stop getting along if we tried. But then there were days when it all erupted out, and we screamed at each other, said very hurtful things. We always settled back again, without truly blaming the other for it. But it was very hard for me. Forced emotional dependency on the mother is not a healthy trait to install in a boy, and I was quite aware of it. Since adulthood though, in the last few years, my anger towards her is used up and the love has settled back into something to be embraced. I've managed to gain enough distance and independence not to resent that power she has, and I've come to understand her a lot better - her trials in life, her support and dedication and, yes, her psychological anomalies that really do make it hell to live with her at times. I have very pleasant phone conversations with her during term-time and we're both very pleased when I return to her home in the holidays.

So, basically, I'm not pleased with the way I was treated and raised in many regards, but I'm now mature enough to see that my mother always tried her best, put in great sacrifices, and genuinely meant well in whatever she did. She was very supportive in her estimation even if it didn't really fit with mine. So there's no longer anger on my part. Acceptance might not be quite right, but I do say, with genuine meaning, that I'm proud to have her as a mother. Not because she was the greatest, but because she always gave her best even if, in my current estimation, she miscalculated.

Sorry for the length of that.
 
I dont see things as black and white, but my friends are one thing, my parents another, and love life a third
 
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I had found the love of my life... my soulmate... we lived and loved a lifetime, until a distracted driver took him from me. We were not legally allowed to be married, but in our hearts and before GOD we were. I am a widower.

I honestly doubt I shall ever find another love. I spend so much time taking care of Mom... and no one wants a relationship with a single guy who has all that 'baggage'. However, I am content with my lot in life, because during the time Tony and I were together, he gave me enough love to last a lifetime.

I'm sorry to cut the rest of your lovely post but this bit just had me a bit wet eyed.
Oh Sector 7, how long ago was this? Please don't give up, hang on to the memories but you never know what will happen. You can have two great loves in life (quote Charlotte SATC;)) x
It has been a few years since he was taken from me. I could love again, but I spend so much time and effort taking care of Mom... most gay guys I have known are much too self-centered to share me with her. Even my ex-girlfriend [denial period] wanted me to put Mom in a nursing home. Tony wanted me to "carry on" (whatever that really means) so I don't have that guilt. I just don't get out that much to meet other guys socially. Dad jokingly says, "It's like house arrest without the bracelet!"

My Grandad died a few years ago at the age of 97. He led my Mum a merry dance before.

When M&D went away for a weekend I was allocated 'Grandpa and dog' watch. Gramps would always have had his breakfast before I got round to him, his tea stuff prepared and told me to 'stop fussing'.

Old people are buggers for taking advantage.

It's your life too Sec 7, try and get help to look after your Mom or you'll end up resenting her and trying to put glass in her tea ~ my Mum never did this to Gramps but she spoke of it often :lol:

I know it's not funny but if you give up your life for someone else ~ well it's just not fair. Really good of you, but think of yourself?

I'm just talking of how my Mum felt when having to care for Gramps.

I'm going to shut up know.


"If some people treated their friends like they treat their kids, they wouldn't have any friends. " Not that you don't have to be the parent in this relationship, but treat kids like they are human beings."

How do you do that?
#1 When you have done something wrong to them say, "I was wrong; will you forgive me?" Helps if you really mean it.

#2 When they say or do something wrong, say "I forgive you!" (see the end of #1) PS Don't withhold forgiveness because the haven't groveled enough.

#3 Kids deserve more of a reason that "Because I said so!" Unless they are about to get hit by a train, we should tell them why we want them to do something, in which case the explanation can be given afterward.

#4 Let them experience the consequence of their (dumb) actions, unless they are morally threatening or life threatening.

Isn't that the way we treat our friends?

raf

Oh I treat Son like a friend ~ with respect, with love, with an urge to make him laugh and have a giggle together.

If I know he's grumpy going off to work I'll stay up 'til he gets home, 1/2 am to make hot chocolate and listen to his moans.

Off on a tangent ~ but we should treat our 'lovers/other halves/partners/boyfriends/girlfriends' as friends also, which we sometimes forget.

Nice thread, K. It's been very interesting.

Well, I'm only just out of being a teenager myself, of course (I was 21 this week), but I think the last few years have been a period of genuine growth in my relationship with my mother. I'd heard the saying about parents - "first you love them, then you hate them, eventually you forgive them". I'm now in the "having forgiven" stage - my mother is a good woman and I no longer hold any real anger towards her. I rediscovered the strong love I initially had for her, but now in, I suppose you'd say, a more mature manner. That is, I'm quite aware of her faults and all those aspects of her attitude I disapprove of, and I don't seek to make excuses for them, but I also recognise that parenthood is a hard, hard job when you're doing it alone (even it is was largely her fault she had to do it alone in the first place) and that she was always there, always supportive in her way. She is deserving of my love and loyalty no matter my intellectual disatisfaction with some of her attitudes and behaviours. So any wounds have mostly healed, and we get along well.

You see, separating from her emotionally has always been very difficult for me, because we ended up bonding very closely in my earlier years - combined with my emotional dependency from the loss of my father, I ended up emotionally "intertwined" with her. Not the best outcome, as to be honest her emotional stability is not good. Nor is mine, of course, which is in part my point. I know quite well what aspects of myself come from her, and for a time I resented it, before I realized how unfair I was being. My mother is what and who she is, and she honestly did try her best and was ultimately successful at raising myself and my sister. So for a time I was angry, and while I'm still very sore about much of my life, my anger no longer directs at her.

Because my parents divorced and my family was sundered just as I was becoming old enough to pick up on the conflict, I was very, very insecure as a child. My sister, only half a year old at the time, is far more stable because she doesn't remember it. Having lost my father, I became very closely attached to my mother. That made it hard for her when I started (age 9-10) to distance myself from her. A natural and important part of a boy's development, but I don't think she got that. We were so close, so loving, but also began to really dislike each other and we didn't know how to disengage. Then, when I realized the reason I didn't have a father was because she wanted divorce then full custody because she "wasn't happy" (so I've managed to work out ; I still don't have full details), I resented it deeply. My emotional life has always been a tattered mess and I was furious that it was she who made it so. Yet I had only her in my life - I couldn't run to my father and proclaim him the "good guy" and turn mum into a "boo, hiss" villain, because she had been the one raising me. How can you turn on someone who has tried her hardest to raise you, care for you, provide for you? Who has done her best without hestitation? That was the pure frustration - I loved her deeply, was grateful to her in the extreme, yet I was so upset and frustrated at what I could only see as unthinking, unknowing abuse that I truly resented her.

So we had arguments. Surprisingly, 9 days out of 10 we were fine. As I say, that bond was so strong we couldn't truly stop getting along if we tried. But then there were days when it all erupted out, and we screamed at each other, said very hurtful things. We always settled back again, without truly blaming the other for it. But it was very hard for me. Forced emotional dependency on the mother is not a healthy trait to install in a boy, and I was quite aware of it. Since adulthood though, in the last few years, my anger towards her is used up and the love has settled back into something to be embraced. I've managed to gain enough distance and independence not to resent that power she has, and I've come to understand her a lot better - her trials in life, her support and dedication and, yes, her psychological anomalies that really do make it hell to live with her at times. I have very pleasant phone conversations with her during term-time and we're both very pleased when I return to her home in the holidays.

So, basically, I'm not pleased with the way I was treated and raised in many regards, but I'm now mature enough to see that my mother always tried her best, put in great sacrifices, and genuinely meant well in whatever she did. She was very supportive in her estimation even if it didn't really fit with mine. So there's no longer anger on my part. Acceptance might not be quite right, but I do say, with genuine meaning, that I'm proud to have her as a mother. Not because she was the greatest, but because she always gave her best even if, in my current estimation, she miscalculated.

Sorry for the length of that.


Thanks DN, and your post was a great read.

I think we may be the same but from the other perspective. Son's father left when he was 3 and I have chunks out of my tongue where I have bitten it to stop me 'bad mouthing' him.

Son needed to realise that for himself, which he has.

Son went to boarding school (scholarship) because otherwise I think I would have 'overcompensated' for the split parenthood, which I'm sure you can understand.

Now Son is 18, working and at college ~ we have an understanding:

I have to wake him up when he's early at college, but I'm not allowed to speak to him ~ just make tea, milky with 3 sugars.

When he is late due to ignoring me, I must drive him in.

Pizzas must be available at all occasions. (minimum cooking time 15 mins)

When he has friends over to stay I'm not allowed to dry my hair in the living room although it's 10 O'clock already.

Bread, ham and cheese is compulsory and the cleaning of the toasting thing is obviously not.

Washing of clothes and ironing is done by the 'clothes fairy'.

When you friend throws up I am allowed to do the "don't mix dope with drink' rant.

When one of your friends offers me a glass of fizz and sits down to talk to me ~ then yes, go away to your room and sulk playing Pokemon.

:guffaw:

It's sooo good to get the other view :)
 
I'm still sixteen, so I'm still going through this all myself :p.
My parents divorced almost five years ago now. My Dad soon moved a few hundred miles away, because of work, so I mostly live with my Mum.

There are a lot of issues still between them both, but my Dad tries not to communicate with her. As for my relationship - I broke down as an 11 year old when they divorced, because I was very sheltered, and I had felt so stable. I've been through several periods where I hated my life, they come and go- the most recent was a few months ago (an aftereffect- some things still happen...), but I think I've got past the worst of it now. Since then, I've become very close to my Dad - even more than before. He remarried 3 years ago and I get on well with my Step-Mum. I see them a couple of weekends a month (they have a house down here), plus one or two weeks at a time during holidays if they're down. My Dad treats me very well, there's never any need for arguements, and he thinks very logically, we're like equals, not in some kind of ranked relationship. Sometimes he gets worked up over something he's doing (he's very good at losing things :lol:) but he never takes it out on anyone, although it can become uncomfortable if you're around.. It's the main reason my Mum left, because she took it as if all non-happy emotions were anger (Mostly due to her extremely sheltered upbringing, she was almost suppressed, my granparents are just quiet, and in some ways rather old fashioned).

As for my relationship with my Mum... It's very varied. She was almost totally responsible for the divorce, so I lost a lot of respect for her. I still love her, and she loves me, and we get on well most of the time, but we sometimes have really bad arguements. The problem with her is when she says something, she doesn't go back on it, even if she realizes she's wrong, and it seems as if she's always trying to 'clamp down' on 'rebellion' which otherwise wouldn't be there at all. She always goes on about things like 'when I was your age I did this' or 'You should work harder' (Which I want to do anyway because I don't want to be a failure in life anyway.)

She often gets stuck on really petty things, and won't let them go, because she wants to be right, in contrast to me, because I'm her son, and has less experiance than her.

It's strange, because she's almost change as much as I have. From the memories of her I have when I was little, she was so much more.. naive almost, and nowhere near as self confident, headstrong and sometimes arrogant.

Having said that, we still get on well, and our relationship will almost definately improve when I leave, because she won't feel the need to keep some degree of control over me. We have a lot of similar interests. :)

I can see that what I have is nowhere near as bad as some others in this thread (Physical abuse :() but that's how it is.

"If some people treated their friends like they treat their kids, they wouldn't have any friends. " Not that you don't have to be the parent in this relationship, but treat kids like they are human beings."

How do you do that?
#1 When you have done something wrong to them say, "I was wrong; will you forgive me?" Helps if you really mean it.

#2 When they say or do something wrong, say "I forgive you!" (see the end of #1) PS Don't withhold forgiveness because the haven't groveled enough.

#3 Kids deserve more of a reason that "Because I said so!" Unless they are about to get hit by a train, we should tell them why we want them to do something, in which case the explanation can be given afterward.

#4 Let them experience the consequence of their (dumb) actions, unless they are morally threatening or life threatening.

Isn't that the way we treat our friends?

raf

Exactly. That's the difference between my Dad and my Mum (The biggest one anyway), my Dad falls into this catagory. My Mum can sometimes show some of these qualities, but not so much recently...
 
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As for my relationship with my Mum... It's very varied. She was totally responsible for the divorce, so I lost a lot of respect for her. I still love her, and she loves me, and we get on well most of the time, but we sometimes have really bad arguements. The problem with her is when she says something, she doesn't go back on it, even if she realizes she's wrong, and it seems as if she's always trying to 'clamp down' on 'rebellion' which otherwise wouldn't be there at all. She always goes on about things like 'when I was your age I did this' 'You should work harder' (Which I want to do anyway because I don't want to be a failure in life anyway.)

She often gets stuck on really petty things, and won't let them go, because she wants to be right, in contrast to me, because I'm her son, and has less experiance than her.

It's strange, because she's almost change as much as I have. From the memories of her I have when I was little, she was so much more.. naive almost, and nowhere near as self confident, headstrong and sometimes arrogant.

Having said that, we still get on well, and our relationship will almost definately improve when I leave, because she won't feel the need to keep some degree of control over me. We have a lot of similar interests. :)

Jaytrek, I'm sorry for what you are going through.

I can only talk from my experience but I was totally lost when Son's father left us and it has strange effects.

I try to steer Son in a direction and I hope I am reasonable enough for him to be happy enough to discuss things with me.

Being a parent is really difficult ~ you might have the handbook but you don't have the subsections ;)
 
^Thanks, I think the worst of it is over, and in some ways it strengthened me. There are some benefits..

Being a parent is really difficult ~ you might have the handbook but you don't have the subsections ;)

I understand that, and although I'll never forget, I'll be able to forgive. You seem like a nice person, and I wish you and your son all the best :).
 
^ Thank you :)
In some ways we're as lost as you.

We have the responsibility to be the best parent we are able to be, and have to use the 'stick and carrot' effect. Our children are a reflection on us and do need a little 'nudge to the right direction'.

When it came to Son's exam's I was interested and encouraging ~ 'What do you see yourself doing?', 'Maybe if you did a widespread choice, you could see what you liked and what you are good at?'

When I did my A' levels the advice I got from my grandparents was 'do something with computers, you'll meet a nice man and then you'll get married...' :lol:

It could be worse Jay
 
It could be worse Jay

Oh it could always get worse... :shifty:

A Mother passing by her son's bedroom was astonished to see that
his bed was nicely made and everything was picked up.
Then she saw an envelope, propped up prominently on the pillow that was addressed to 'Mom' With the worst premonition she opened the envelope with trembling hands and read the letter.

Dear Mom:

It is with great regret and sorrow that I'm writing you. I had to
elope with my new girlfriend because I wanted to avoid a scene with
Dad and you. I have been finding real passion with Stacy and she is
so nice. But I knew you would not approve of her because of all her
piercings, tattoos, tight motorcycle clothes and the fact that she
is much older than I am. But it's not only the passion...Mom she's
pregnant. Stacy said that we will be very happy. She owns a trailer
in the woods and has a stack of firewood for the whole winter. We
share a dream of having many more children.
Stacy has opened my eyes to the fact that marijuana doesn't really
hurt anyone. We'll be growing it for ourselves and trading it with the
other people that live nearby for cocaine and ecstasy. In the
meantime we will pray that science will find a cure for AIDS so
Stacy can get better. She deserves it. Don't worry Mom. I'm 15 and I
know how to take care of myself. Someday I'm sure that we will be
back to visit so that you can get to know your grandchildren.

Love,

Your Son Paul


P.S. Mom, none of the above is true. I'm over at Dustin's house. I
just wanted to remind you that there are worse things in life than
the report card that's in my center desk drawer.


I love you.

Call me when it's safe to come home.
 
It could be worse Jay

Oh it could always get worse... :shifty:

A Mother passing by her son's bedroom was astonished to see that
his bed was nicely made and everything was picked up.
Then she saw an envelope, propped up prominently on the pillow that was addressed to 'Mom' With the worst premonition she opened the envelope with trembling hands and read the letter.

Dear Mom:

It is with great regret and sorrow that I'm writing you. I had to
elope with my new girlfriend because I wanted to avoid a scene with
Dad and you. I have been finding real passion with Stacy and she is
so nice. But I knew you would not approve of her because of all her
piercings, tattoos, tight motorcycle clothes and the fact that she
is much older than I am. But it's not only the passion...Mom she's
pregnant. Stacy said that we will be very happy. She owns a trailer
in the woods and has a stack of firewood for the whole winter. We
share a dream of having many more children.
Stacy has opened my eyes to the fact that marijuana doesn't really
hurt anyone. We'll be growing it for ourselves and trading it with the
other people that live nearby for cocaine and ecstasy. In the
meantime we will pray that science will find a cure for AIDS so
Stacy can get better. She deserves it. Don't worry Mom. I'm 15 and I
know how to take care of myself. Someday I'm sure that we will be
back to visit so that you can get to know your grandchildren.

Love,

Your Son Paul


P.S. Mom, none of the above is true. I'm over at Dustin's house. I
just wanted to remind you that there are worse things in life than
the report card that's in my center desk drawer.


I love you.

Call me when it's safe to come home.

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

Oh, I see you and I raise you...

Letter from Son;

"The thing I told you about the free tickets for a festival from my female friend is actually free tickets for the music festival that the guy that I had a suicide pact with at school.

It's going to be cool though, because he has a tent and we'll be there for the weekend.

I'm leaving tomorrow, can you iron 'blah blah', make me a packed lunch and BTW, can I borrow £100.?"

True!
 
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