Original idea of vulcans leaving fed sound more interesting
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What the hell are you guys talking about?
I think "Vulcans leave the Federation" was one of the original proposals for shaking things up in the beginning of Season 4... ultimately, they decided to go with "Klingons end alliance with Federation" though.
*I* think the Vulcans should have formed a secret pact with the Romulans, the Borg and Captain Kirk to stab at the true power of the Federation; Wal-Mart.
Without Wal-Mart, the Federation's ability to compete economically would be devastated and all the citizens of the Federation would die of starvation.
Yupp.
Without Wal-Mart, the Federation's ability to compete economically would be devastated and all the citizens of the Federation would die of starvation.
Yupp.
Quite true. As another poster once theorized, Wal-Mart will eventually patent and create the replicator. Meaning that all things in the 24th century come from Wal-Mart anyway.
But it would break after a month's use and then you'd have to order from Sears or Lowes
Mostly correct. The story that became "Homefront" & "Paradise Lost" was initially going to be the 3rd season finale & 4th season opener.
The executive edict that DS9 bring on a TNG character threw a wrench into that plan. Since the writers knew that they would have to focus the season opener on Worf, they instead did a stand alone episode for the finale, and pushed back the "Homefront" two-parter.
The original plan was that the increased paranoia on Earth would lead the Federation toward a civil war. The Vulcans would threaten to secede, leading to an incident where a Federation ship nearly fires on a Vulcan transport in orbit of Earth. (Obviously rewritten as the Lakota/Defiant skirmish.) The writers felt that the idea of Vulcan secession was going nowhere and abandoned it for Leyton's coup instead.
Wow, I never knew this...
There's still potential there to use it if they ever do a miniseries or a direct-to-dvd movie I suppose. Unless Wal-Mart get the exclusive distribution rights. Product placement on that scale could destroy the universe... It definitely needs more of a Hallmark influence.
If Enterprise had Hallmark moments, it may have survived another few seasons.
There's still potential there to use it if they ever do a miniseries or a direct-to-dvd movie I suppose. Unless Wal-Mart get the exclusive distribution rights. Product placement on that scale could destroy the universe... It definitely needs more of a Hallmark influence.
If Enterprise had Hallmark moments, it may have survived another few seasons.
There was a novel written on the "Vulcan secedes from the Federation" premise. Spock's World, by Diane Duane, is one of my favorite Trek novels. In fact, some of the ideas put forth in that book are so close to what has gone on in Canada for generations, with our Quebec separation issues, that I have wondered if the author used some of that as her inspiration.
I'm skeptical about plotlines that involve internal Fed politics - Fed civil war, Fed "corruption," etc. The Federation is nothing more than a black box, really. To make us care about its internal politics, there would need to be a lot more setup.
One thing that really distinguishes TOS from the subsequent series is that TOS really did delve quite a bit into Fed politics and gave us some insight into its inner workings. DS9 did that somewhat with the Homefront plot and S31, ENT did some work on the pre-history of the Fed in S4, but otherwise the setup really isn't there. There would have to be a return to the TOS approach for a time, and then we can have the Vulcans leave the Federation, after we get a strong sense of why they're there in the first place.
), as long as there was enough clarity to what the two sides believed - why would the Vulcans stay? Why would they leave? Are the ones who want to leave just annoying superior creeps who think all other species are inferior? What "logic" is there in linking up with the slimy Rommies?
One thing that really distinguishes TOS from the subsequent series is that TOS really did delve quite a bit into Fed politics and gave us some insight into its inner workings. DS9 did that somewhat with the Homefront plot and S31, ENT did some work on the pre-history of the Fed in S4, but otherwise the setup really isn't there. There would have to be a return to the TOS approach for a time, and then we can have the Vulcans leave the Federation, after we get a strong sense of why they're there in the first place.
There's something to that, possibly linked to the Unification movement (Spock cameo on DS9!
), as long as there was enough clarity to what the two sides believed - why would the Vulcans stay? Why would they leave? Are the ones who want to leave just annoying superior creeps who think all other species are inferior? What "logic" is there in linking up with the slimy Rommies?The immediate problem there is - considering the Dominion has not just targetted Earth but all of the AQ - why is only Earth being paranoid? Are humans simply more prone to paranoia than other races? That's never been remotely established. Is it because the Dominion knows Earth provides a disproportionate number of Starfleet personnel and is the key to the Federation's defense, so they are selectively attacking Earth? Makes sense, but makes anyone from the Federation who abandons Earth as a result look petty and ingrateful (not to mention stupid, that they can't figure out a rather obvious divide-and-conquer strategy like that). I certainly wouldn't want to see the Vulcans tarred like that.
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