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Opinions on the Emissary arc?

Pemmer Harge

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The Dominion War notwithstanding, if Deep Space Nine had an overall story it was the story of Benjamin Sisko as the Emissary of the Prophets. There's a lot of discussion of where the writers went with that arc in Seasons 6 and 7, but I thought it might be interesting to see what people think of it as a whole.

For me, it was an interesting idea and it asked a lot of questions about religion, allegiances and Sisko's relationship to Bajor. I appreciated the way Sisko's attitude to the role evolved through episodes like Destiny, Accession and Rapture, particularly the latter, which is a personal favourite of mine. I think that the Emissary stuff really peaked in Season 5 (as did DS9 in my opinion) - it put Sisko in the interesting position of having to go against his original mission and come into conflict with Starfleet, and the way it tied in with the build-up the the Dominion War was effective. Even more, it gave us a sense of what being the Emissary might really mean, since it had never truly been explained.

In the last two seasons I think it was more of a mixed bag. Sisko's attachment to Bajor and decision to settle down there was excellent character growth, but I'm not a big fan of the Pah Wraiths and the final showdown with Dukat. The Reckoning was probably the pivotal episode - suddenly we discover that there's going to be some Ultimate Showdown between the Prophets and Pah Wraiths and it plays out in a rather silly fashion before Winn apparently postpones it. All this was a bit too sudden for me, and to be honest, a bit too silly. This stuff dragged down the Season 6 finale as well, although I do think Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols was pretty impressive. Ultimately, finding out that Sisko's job as the Emissary was to stop Dukat releasing the Pah Wraiths (by which standard I guess Chief O'Brien was also the Emissary...) didn't really satisfy me. I wish being the Emissary had ultimately meant more than being the Prophets' champion in a final smackdown - Deep Space Nine was a really thought-provoking show at its best, but this ending seemed rather formulaic to me.
 
For me, it was an interesting idea and it asked a lot of questions about religion, allegiances and Sisko's relationship to Bajor. I appreciated the way Sisko's attitude to the role evolved through episodes like Destiny, Accession and Rapture, particularly the latter, which is a personal favourite of mine. I think that the Emissary stuff really peaked in Season 5 (as did DS9 in my opinion) - it put Sisko in the interesting position of having to go against his original mission and come into conflict with Starfleet, and the way it tied in with the build-up the the Dominion War was effective. Even more, it gave us a sense of what being the Emissary might really mean, since it had never truly been explained.

I'll agree with all that.

In the last two seasons I think it was more of a mixed bag. Sisko's attachment to Bajor and decision to settle down there was excellent character growth, but I'm not a big fan of the Pah Wraiths and the final showdown with Dukat. The Reckoning was probably the pivotal episode - suddenly we discover that there's going to be some Ultimate Showdown between the Prophets and Pah Wraiths and it plays out in a rather silly fashion before Winn apparently postpones it. All this was a bit too sudden for me, and to be honest, a bit too silly. This stuff dragged down the Season 6 finale as well, although I do think Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols was pretty impressive. Ultimately, finding out that Sisko's job as the Emissary was to stop Dukat releasing the Pah Wraiths (by which standard I guess Chief O'Brien was also the Emissary...) didn't really satisfy me. I wish being the Emissary had ultimately meant more than being the Prophets' champion in a final smackdown - Deep Space Nine was a really thought-provoking show at its best, but this ending seemed rather formulaic to me.

I'll have to disagree with those points. I loved what they did with Sisko and the Prophets stoyline in Seasons Six and Seven. They definitely brought in more fantasy, not sci-fi, stories and themes. While a lot of people didn't like that aspect, I loved it. IMO, the fantasy elements of the Emissary Arc and the sci-fi elements of the Dominion War Arc blended together and played off each other perfectly.

I also loved the addition of the Pah-Wraiths. Up until their introduction, DS9 had celebrated religion, something Star Trek has always been VERY reluctant to do. Very often the franchise is downright hostile to religion. However, if you're going to show all the good aspects of a religious lifestyle, you should also show how religion can be twisted into something wrong, or evil. The Cult of the Pah-Wraiths did this perfectly. Having Dukat then act as a sort of Emissary of the Pah-Wraiths wasn't just a set-up for the epic smackdown of good vs. evil (that aspect was there however, and it was awesome). It was a way to show all the bad aspects of religion while simultaneously showing its good aspects.
 
Evil Supervillain Dukat in the finale was really the only thing I didn't like about the Pah-Wraiths.

"I said bow!" :rolleyes:
 
They didn't do much with the Emissary storyline until Destiny, which was really a mistake to put it off that long, considering how it just got better and better until Rapture. The Pah-Wraiths weren't the best villains, but I enjoyed their appearances in The Reckoning and other Pah-Wraith stories. It was only really Dukat's Pah-Wraith possessed madness at the end in What You Leave Behind that was even slightly sub-par. The Emissary arc was one of the best arcs in DS9, mainly because it actually shows a religious side in Star Trek, not openly insulting to it like Voyager episodes such as Emanations and Mortal Coil were.
 
I liked it myself. And it definitely wasn't as insulting as TNG's "Who Watches the Watchers?" Yes, that episode miffed me a bit.
 
There needed to be more direct conflict between Sisko's role as Emissary and his role as a Starfleet officer.

-The Federation and Starfleet should have been depicted more directly as tolerant but officially atheist.

-Starfleet should have been more leery of Sisko's evolving allegiance to a bunch of wormhole aliens who could very well have been allied with the Dominion.

-Sisko advising the Bajorans to stay out of the conflict - depriving Starfleet of an ally with a key strategic location - should not have been met with a shrug on Starfleet's part.

-The showdown would have been postponed till Starfleet re-took the station, at which time, it would become obvious that Starfleet could not remove Sisko from his post without pissing off the Bajorans. But Starfleet should not be happy about this and Sisko's career should have been in jeopardy.

-Dukat should not have been the willing pawn of the paghwraiths but instead arrogantly think he can manipulate them to his own purposes (about which of course he would be spectacularly wrong).

-This would lead to a showdown in which Sisko was almost competely left out to dry by Starfleet and Dukat was more in control of things, perhaps even on the verge of success. The problem with the showdown is that it was so cartoonish and Sisko didn't really seem threatened. Reducing Sisko's power while increasing Dukat's would have heightened the drama.

-Sisko definitely needed to lose something of value in order to pursue his role as Emissary - his Starfleet career could have been that thing.

-Here's a thought: what if Starfleet had lost faith in Sisko completely while Dukat seemed to have a handle on the paghwraiths and therefore the key to Starfleet winning or losing the war? Would Starfleet have decided to make a deal with the devil in order to save their own asses? Would Sisko have been the sole person who could put a stop to that folly? Now that would have been dramatic!
 
good topic. I disliked it for a variety of reasons. First, it's cliche duality version of religion, with the Prophets/Pah Wraith conflict echoing Ahura Mazda/Ahriman in Zoroastrianism, or God/Satan in Christianity, doesn't seem to go well with previous more mature and complex "Trek" takes on religion.

It also reduced Dukat to a comic book supervillain, as previously mentioned.

Further more, the conception of the Prophets changed completely from early seasons, when they were wormhole aliens mostly uninterested in the races around them, and were stumbled upon by accident, to later seasons when they basically WERE the literal Prophets of the Bajoran religion, and personally interested in Ben Sisko, even arranging his birth!!!

You can rationalize that as the Prophets being "outside of time," so that they changed AFTER encountering Sisko, but that's reaching in my opinion.

Finally, it detracted from the Bajoran political stories which were some of my favorite episodes of DS9, and which mostly disappeared in later seasons.
 
However, if you're going to show all the good aspects of a religious lifestyle, you should also show how religion can be twisted into something wrong, or evil. The Cult of the Pah-Wraiths did this perfectly. Having Dukat then act as a sort of Emissary of the Pah-Wraiths wasn't just a set-up for the epic smackdown of good vs. evil (that aspect was there however, and it was awesome). It was a way to show all the bad aspects of religion while simultaneously showing its good aspects.

I thought Covenant was OK at showing some of the possible negative aspects of religion, but in general I think that DS9 did a better job of that in the earlier seasons with Winn's rise to power in In the Hands of the Prophets, the Circle trilogy, Shakaar etc. I found it believable that a figure like her could emerge in a place and time like that. To me, the Season 7 stuff with Winn was much less believable, though Louise Fletcher and Marc Alaimo sold it as best they could.
 
I'll start by saying, I thought the Emissary arc was fantastic! The gradual evolution of Sisko's character, as he slowly becomes more comfortable as this important religious figure to the Bajorans, and then as he discovers what his 'role' as the Emissary is. I thought it was very well done!

Also, sonak, I don't think you can blame the Emissary arc for the lack of Bajoran political stories in the later seasons! The Dominion War was solely responsible for that, and I personally thought it was a good move - but thats a discussion for another thread.

For me, it was an interesting idea and it asked a lot of questions about religion, allegiances and Sisko's relationship to Bajor. I appreciated the way Sisko's attitude to the role evolved through episodes like Destiny, Accession and Rapture, particularly the latter, which is a personal favourite of mine. I think that the Emissary stuff really peaked in Season 5 (as did DS9 in my opinion) - it put Sisko in the interesting position of having to go against his original mission and come into conflict with Starfleet, and the way it tied in with the build-up the the Dominion War was effective. Even more, it gave us a sense of what being the Emissary might really mean, since it had never truly been explained.

I'll agree with all that.

In the last two seasons I think it was more of a mixed bag. Sisko's attachment to Bajor and decision to settle down there was excellent character growth, but I'm not a big fan of the Pah Wraiths and the final showdown with Dukat. The Reckoning was probably the pivotal episode - suddenly we discover that there's going to be some Ultimate Showdown between the Prophets and Pah Wraiths and it plays out in a rather silly fashion before Winn apparently postpones it. All this was a bit too sudden for me, and to be honest, a bit too silly. This stuff dragged down the Season 6 finale as well, although I do think Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols was pretty impressive. Ultimately, finding out that Sisko's job as the Emissary was to stop Dukat releasing the Pah Wraiths (by which standard I guess Chief O'Brien was also the Emissary...) didn't really satisfy me. I wish being the Emissary had ultimately meant more than being the Prophets' champion in a final smackdown - Deep Space Nine was a really thought-provoking show at its best, but this ending seemed rather formulaic to me.

I'll have to disagree with those points. I loved what they did with Sisko and the Prophets stoyline in Seasons Six and Seven. They definitely brought in more fantasy, not sci-fi, stories and themes. While a lot of people didn't like that aspect, I loved it. IMO, the fantasy elements of the Emissary Arc and the sci-fi elements of the Dominion War Arc blended together and played off each other perfectly.

I also loved the addition of the Pah-Wraiths. Up until their introduction, DS9 had celebrated religion, something Star Trek has always been VERY reluctant to do. Very often the franchise is downright hostile to religion. However, if you're going to show all the good aspects of a religious lifestyle, you should also show how religion can be twisted into something wrong, or evil. The Cult of the Pah-Wraiths did this perfectly. Having Dukat then act as a sort of Emissary of the Pah-Wraiths wasn't just a set-up for the epic smackdown of good vs. evil (that aspect was there however, and it was awesome). It was a way to show all the bad aspects of religion while simultaneously showing its good aspects.

Once again I find myself agreeing with Admiral Shran, as I too loved the addition of the Pah-Wraiths. Considering how many Human religions have the duality of good vs evil, I don't think it was such a stretch to introduce the 'evil' to the Prophets 'good'.

I would argue that the Pah-Wraiths could have been a bit less cliche, and maybe not wanted to destroy the entire universe, but insane!Dukat leading the cult of the Pah-Wraiths - that felt like a natural progression of the character to me. Waltz nicely established the Sisko/Dukat animosity, in preparation for the final confrontation.

And as for Winn - she was established as power hungry from the get go, and we quickly discovered that she wasn't truly 'fulfilling the will of the Prophets'. If anything, I'd argue that the realisation that the Prophets knew she was to be a pawn of the Pah-Wraiths felt like a completely natural conclusion to her story arc.

As for the Prophets themselves - I'd also argue that they were never shown as being truly 'good', if you stop and think about it - they were never really shown as the 'benevolent gods', saving the people of Bajor and eliminating all hardships, sorrow, etc. They let the Cardassians occupy Bajor for 60 years; they stopped one Dominion fleet, when they could have stopped all Dominion forces from entering Bajoran space; they let Winn be a pawn of the Pah-Wraith, when they could have saved her or stopped her; they possessed Sarah Sisko, to ensure that their Emissary was born. These are mysterious alien beings, working on their own mysterious agenda. And I don't think they were ever shown as anything other than that. Don't confuse learning more about these mysterious Prophets with their conception changing, IMO the writers wrote them consistantly - it was just that we learned more about them in later seasons!
 
I like the way you think Arix.

I would argue that the Pah-Wraiths could have been a bit less cliche, and maybe not wanted to destroy the entire universe, but insane!Dukat leading the cult of the Pah-Wraiths - that felt like a natural progression of the character to me. Waltz nicely established the Sisko/Dukat animosity, in preparation for the final confrontation.

It always seemed natural to me as well. This was a man who had spent years lying to everyone about his true motivations and his feelings toward the Bajoran people. But more importantly, he had been lying to himself, desperately trying to convince himself that he was a good man despite the fact that he hated the Bajorans and enjoyed enslaving them. When he finally admitted the truth about the situation to himself in "Waltz," it was then only natural for him to stop trying to be charming and go about doing what he always wanted to do - kill Bajorans. When he discovered "the love of the Pah-Wraiths" he found that they offered him the perfect the opportunity to do just that, and became a fully-converted believer. As you said, a natural progression.

And as for Winn - she was established as power hungry from the get go, and we quickly discovered that she wasn't truly 'fulfilling the will of the Prophets'. If anything, I'd argue that the realisation that the Prophets knew she was to be a pawn of the Pah-Wraiths felt like a completely natural conclusion to her story arc.

I would say that she was fulfilling the will of the Prophets; she just didn't realize it. It's odd, but in betraying the Prophets and embracing the Pah-Wraiths, she was doing exactly what the Prophets wanted her to do. If it wasn't for her, Dukat would never have been able to quasi-release the Pah-Wraiths from their prison in the Fire Caves and become their Emissary. If that hadn't happened, Sisko would never have been able to seal them all away in "Bajoran Hell." So, Winn was essential in the Prophets' plan. I think she, herself, realized this right before her death, when she came back to the "good side" and told Sisko that the Book of the Kosst Amojan was the key to stopping them.
 
And as for Winn - she was established as power hungry from the get go, and we quickly discovered that she wasn't truly 'fulfilling the will of the Prophets'. If anything, I'd argue that the realisation that the Prophets knew she was to be a pawn of the Pah-Wraiths felt like a completely natural conclusion to her story arc.

I would say that she was fulfilling the will of the Prophets; she just didn't realize it. It's odd, but in betraying the Prophets and embracing the Pah-Wraiths, she was doing exactly what the Prophets wanted her to do. If it wasn't for her, Dukat would never have been able to quasi-release the Pah-Wraiths from their prison in the Fire Caves and become their Emissary. If that hadn't happened, Sisko would never have been able to seal them all away in "Bajoran Hell." So, Winn was essential in the Prophets' plan. I think she, herself, realized this right before her death, when she came back to the "good side" and told Sisko that the Book of the Kosst Amojan was the key to stopping them.

I must admit, its been a while since I've seen the Final Chapter of DS9. But of course, you're right, her 'betrayal' of the Prophets was all part of Their plan. Just as they possessed Sarah so The Sisko would be born, so too did they ignore Winn, knowing it would eventually lead to her betraying them and embracing the Pah-Wraiths.

I think that still ties into my point about the Prophets not being 'good'! They manipulate whomever they need to make their plan succeed, yet their reasons for doing so remain mysterious and unknown.
 
I loved the Emissary arc, save for the Pagh-wraiths. To me, it added a cheesiness to the show I'd have rather not seen come to fruition. Other than the Pagh-wraiths/uberDukat, I loved the arc itself.
 
I wish being the Emissary had ultimately meant more than being the Prophets' champion in a final smackdown - Deep Space Nine was a really thought-provoking show at its best, but this ending seemed rather formulaic to me.

The ending was weak, very weak. The arc probably deserved better.

I say "probably" because I cannot remember a single genuinely excellent prophets-based episode in series six or seven. The only good Pah Wraiths one was where they took over Keiko.

The final arc was not really true to the characters of Winn or Dukhat, and it is a real shame after all the development of Dukhat in seasons 1-4 that he went crazy and evil in season six.
 
it was doubtlessly heartwarming how the emissary comforted some faithful commoners in rapture, and that the prophets miraculously enlightened him about the location of the lost city as well as the admiral's dysfunctional family, but did ds9 portray religion really in a good light?
i think not. the prophets were no deities, or any sort of higher beings with supernatural powers able to create anything, but they and their doings were scientifically explainable. while christians can continue to look for their god in the subatomic particles, or before the big bang, and find evidence in infinite regress, the bajoran religion doesn not offer this comfort.
 
The final arc was not really true to the characters of Winn or Dukhat, and it is a real shame after all the development of Dukhat in seasons 1-4 that he went crazy and evil in season six.

I thought the way the characters developed was true to their natures. Winn was always shown as power hungry and ultimately driven by personal glory. When she finally realized she would never have it the way she wanted it (i.e. being superior to Sisko in the public's and the Prophet's affections) she snapped and began to actively seek to harm the man who was thwarting her goals. Seems natural to me. Dukat was always shown as a man who had been lying to himself. He honestly wanted to believe that he was a good person, even though he was doing horrible, evil things. When he finally admitted the truth to Sisko, and himself, he dropped all the pretense. Also, seems natural to me.

it was doubtlessly heartwarming how the emissary comforted some faithful commoners in rapture, and that the prophets miraculously enlightened him about the location of the lost city as well as the admiral's dysfunctional family, but did ds9 portray religion really in a good light?
i think not. the prophets were no deities, or any sort of higher beings with supernatural powers able to create anything, but they and their doings were scientifically explainable. while christians can continue to look for their god in the subatomic particles, or before the big bang, and find evidence in infinite regress, the bajoran religion doesn not offer this comfort.

I disagree. I think religion was portrayed in a good light. It's true that the religion's "gods" are just another ultra-powerful group of aliens (so it isn't like Christianity, as you point out), but it is portrayed as something that offers comfort to people and in so offering that comfort is doing good. It's portrayed as a positive force in the lives of believers.
 
The Emissary arc didn't do anything for me. It's a waste of screen-time IMO.

I don't like how they mishandled it with ridiculous retconning that doesn't fit, I.e: they don't know anything about the Sisko or humans, yet they have already possessed his mother to orchestrate his birth prior to that conversation - ludicrous retcon!

Furthermore, it also didn't do anything for me because the wormhole aliens are never defined as characters, nor are the Pah-Wraiths. They are just generic talking heads, which makes them totally uninteresting and hallmarks of bad writing.

I might have in theory liked an Emissary arc if it was well-handled with plausible development and interesting, well-developed characters and story points, but that ain't what the show delivers, not by a longshot.
 
Dukat was always shown as a man who had been lying to himself. He honestly wanted to believe that he was a good person, even though he was doing horrible, evil things. When he finally admitted the truth to Sisko, and himself, he dropped all the pretense. Also, seems natural to me.

I thought there were some serious problems with that. In Waltz he tells Sisko he wants to wipe out all Bajorans and Sisko ends the episode by saying that Dukat is pure evil. Now, that's all well and good, but there were very clear indications in that episode that Dukat had gone insane, even though the writers tried to have it both ways by earlier saying that he wasn't insane. Dukat pre-Sacrifice of Angels was a pretty evil man, but if he did go insane after that, I don't think that Waltz can be said to reveal how truly evil he was. They could have just had Dukat carry on as a genocidal madman, but then they decided to have him possessed by the Pah-Wraiths and changed into one of their devotees, something which I think only served to muddy the waters when it came to his characterisation. The result, I feel, was that by What You Leave Behind, Dukat was almost a completely different person, and arguably someone who wasn't really responsible for his actions.
 
The final arc was not really true to the characters of Winn or Dukhat, and it is a real shame after all the development of Dukhat in seasons 1-4 that he went crazy and evil in season six.

I thought the way the characters developed was true to their natures. Winn was always shown as power hungry and ultimately driven by personal glory. When she finally realized she would never have it the way she wanted it (i.e. being superior to Sisko in the public's and the Prophet's affections) she snapped and began to actively seek to harm the man who was thwarting her goals. Seems natural to me. Dukat was always shown as a man who had been lying to himself. He honestly wanted to believe that he was a good person, even though he was doing horrible, evil things. When he finally admitted the truth to Sisko, and himself, he dropped all the pretense. Also, seems natural to me.

Once again, I completely agree! I'm always perplexed when people don't like their treatment throughout season 6, and especially season 7. It was a natural progression for both the characters - they finally realised that trying to subtly, under-handedly gain power wasn't working, and so they decided to remove Sisko from the picture altogether.

Admittedly, it has been a while since I've watched Seasons 5 - 7 (I've been rewatching bits and pieces of Seasons 1 - 4 recently), so I should probably refresh my memory before commenting further on Dukat's character progression...
 
The Dominion War notwithstanding, if Deep Space Nine had an overall story it was the story of Benjamin Sisko as the Emissary of the Prophets. There's a lot of discussion of where the writers went with that arc in Seasons 6 and 7, but I thought it might be interesting to see what people think of it as a whole.

For me, it was an interesting idea and it asked a lot of questions about religion, allegiances and Sisko's relationship to Bajor. I appreciated the way Sisko's attitude to the role evolved through episodes like Destiny, Accession and Rapture, particularly the latter, which is a personal favourite of mine. I think that the Emissary stuff really peaked in Season 5 (as did DS9 in my opinion) - it put Sisko in the interesting position of having to go against his original mission and come into conflict with Starfleet, and the way it tied in with the build-up the the Dominion War was effective. Even more, it gave us a sense of what being the Emissary might really mean, since it had never truly been explained.

In the last two seasons I think it was more of a mixed bag. Sisko's attachment to Bajor and decision to settle down there was excellent character growth, but I'm not a big fan of the Pah Wraiths and the final showdown with Dukat. The Reckoning was probably the pivotal episode - suddenly we discover that there's going to be some Ultimate Showdown between the Prophets and Pah Wraiths and it plays out in a rather silly fashion before Winn apparently postpones it. All this was a bit too sudden for me, and to be honest, a bit too silly. This stuff dragged down the Season 6 finale as well, although I do think Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols was pretty impressive. Ultimately, finding out that Sisko's job as the Emissary was to stop Dukat releasing the Pah Wraiths (by which standard I guess Chief O'Brien was also the Emissary...) didn't really satisfy me. I wish being the Emissary had ultimately meant more than being the Prophets' champion in a final smackdown - Deep Space Nine was a really thought-provoking show at its best, but this ending seemed rather formulaic to me.
I agree with you on almost all of it - I just think you're being way too lenient on the season 6/7 development of the arc. The Emissary arc started great - in the pilot - but by the end it was a real mess. Since I've already written a lot about the problems withthe Pah-wraiths and "Space Jesus" Sisko's arranged birth, I'll just link to one of my previous rants...
http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3363038&postcount=109


In the last two seasons I think it was more of a mixed bag. Sisko's attachment to Bajor and decision to settle down there was excellent character growth, but I'm not a big fan of the Pah Wraiths and the final showdown with Dukat. The Reckoning was probably the pivotal episode - suddenly we discover that there's going to be some Ultimate Showdown between the Prophets and Pah Wraiths and it plays out in a rather silly fashion before Winn apparently postpones it. All this was a bit too sudden for me, and to be honest, a bit too silly. This stuff dragged down the Season 6 finale as well, although I do think Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols was pretty impressive. Ultimately, finding out that Sisko's job as the Emissary was to stop Dukat releasing the Pah Wraiths (by which standard I guess Chief O'Brien was also the Emissary...) didn't really satisfy me. I wish being the Emissary had ultimately meant more than being the Prophets' champion in a final smackdown - Deep Space Nine was a really thought-provoking show at its best, but this ending seemed rather formulaic to me.

I'll have to disagree with those points. I loved what they did with Sisko and the Prophets stoyline in Seasons Six and Seven. They definitely brought in more fantasy, not sci-fi, stories and themes. While a lot of people didn't like that aspect, I loved it. IMO, the fantasy elements of the Emissary Arc and the sci-fi elements of the Dominion War Arc blended together and played off each other perfectly.

I also loved the addition of the Pah-Wraiths. Up until their introduction, DS9 had celebrated religion, something Star Trek has always been VERY reluctant to do. Very often the franchise is downright hostile to religion. However, if you're going to show all the good aspects of a religious lifestyle, you should also show how religion can be twisted into something wrong, or evil. The Cult of the Pah-Wraiths did this perfectly. Having Dukat then act as a sort of Emissary of the Pah-Wraiths wasn't just a set-up for the epic smackdown of good vs. evil (that aspect was there however, and it was awesome). It was a way to show all the bad aspects of religion while simultaneously showing its good aspects.
I don't think so. DS9 had already very much shown the negative aspects of religion, and in a much better way - both with the Bajoran religion and Kai Winn, and with the Dominion and the Vorta and Jem 'Hadar worship of the Founders.

Besides, trying to show negative aspects of religion through a cult, a fringe group with a typical evil charismatic cult leader, is much less interesting than showing how a legitimate mainstream religion can have dangerous and bad aspects as well as good ones. DS9 did the latter well with Kai Winn in "In the Hands of the Prophets" and other episodes back in the days when she was not serving the Pah-wraiths. I have to say, if one can only show negative aspects of religion through cults, which most people already despise and regard as dangerous... well, that just feels lame, unnecessary, and a cop-out. Maybe it feels even more like that to me, because of the circumstances in my country. For the last 20 years, and especially during the last decade, the dominant Church has been having or trying to have a strong influence on political and social life - too much influence, I'd say - and it has shown itself much more often in negative light than in positive, with far too much nationalism, warmongering, homophobia, sexism, etc. while even the moderate voices were too weak, and far too few positive examples. So when I watched Kai Winn in "In the Hands of the Prophets", it felt very topical and real, and she reminded me of some real life figures of high church dignitaries who seem more like politicians - arrogant, aggressive, conservative, very right-wing politicians. But, at the same time, if you believed mainstream newspapers, magazines and TV, especially a few years ago, it was the cults (or "sects" as they usually call them here) that are this big, incredible danger to the society. We had all sorts of articles and programmes about the danger of the "sects", which are supposed to be a danger on par with drugs for the young people in the country - that despite the fact that these "sects" are so few and so small that you'd hardly know they existed, and most of them are actually completely harmless groups like Jehovah's Witnesses, while those infamous satanistic cults or whatever are so elusive that I doubt they even exist... That's why I was very unimpressed with those stories about the dangers of religious "sects" - since the accepted, mainstream church was the one that really seemed powerful and way too influential, and a lot more likely to be the real danger. So... you can see why I am even less inclined than most people to be impressed by attempts to show the negative aspects of religion... through a cult.

As for the Prophets themselves - I'd also argue that they were never shown as being truly 'good', if you stop and think about it - they were never really shown as the 'benevolent gods', saving the people of Bajor and eliminating all hardships, sorrow, etc. They let the Cardassians occupy Bajor for 60 years; they stopped one Dominion fleet, when they could have stopped all Dominion forces from entering Bajoran space; they let Winn be a pawn of the Pah-Wraith, when they could have saved her or stopped her; they possessed Sarah Sisko, to ensure that their Emissary was born. These are mysterious alien beings, working on their own mysterious agenda. And I don't think they were ever shown as anything other than that. Don't confuse learning more about these mysterious Prophets with their conception changing, IMO the writers wrote them consistantly - it was just that we learned more about them in later seasons!
Exactly! But that's another reason why the Prophets/Pah-wraiths duality doesn't work. It could have worked if they had both been shown as just two warring factions of aliens, neither of which were exactly good or evil. I don't like black-and-white dualities, but in this case, it's not even that... it's gray and black duality. Since the Prophets are pretty much manipulative assholes, what do we do to make them look better? Why, let's make their opponents really, really eeeeeevil! Ridiculously, cartoonishly, motivelessly evil. Let's say that they want to... hm, what is bad enough? They want to end all life! Why? Eh, who cares. :rolleyes:

As for Dukat, his storyarc in late season 6/season 7 simply didn't make any sense. The writers should have decided - either he was insane, or he was in possession of his senses and responsible for his actions. You can't have it both ways! Mad ramblings of an insane man can't be seriously taken as proofs of his "pure evil" nature or genocidal intent. But he's completely insane one moment, then the next he seems lucid enough to scheme and manipulate Winn, but still not sane enough for any of his motives to make any sense... What kind of characterization is that? Ah, yes - the one driven by plot.

If they wanted to associate Dukat with the Pah-wraiths, it would have been a lot more convincing if he was being sane, but his old arrogant self, and believed that he could use the Pah-wraiths for his own agenda and end up on top, just like he did with Dominion (and of course, was horribly wrong). Dukat as a true believer in the Pah-wraiths felt very out of character.
 
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