Opinions On The DY-100/Botany Bay/Woden

[Praetor]

Regarding checking on Khan, I think it could easily be a left-hand not knowing what the right-hand did situation.

The U.S.S. Dunsel stopped by six years earlier, didn't find a planet where a planet was supposed to be, concluded they blew up and didn't bother to do a thorough checkout, and for whatever reason Reliant didn't have those records.

And I agree regarding Terrell's 'cargo containers' line being able to be taken different ways. He did say that they 'look like cargo containers' meaning it's possible he wasn't sure because he was unfamiliar with the design, or that they were just in a state or disrepair/disorder from the sandstorms and thus just not immediately recognizable. Or, he could have just been a bit surprised to find cargo containers in the middle of a sandstorm.

 

[ahkyahnan]

I'd actually find it a bit strange that things like containers or workbees or spacesuits would be brand new in ST:TMP just because the ship they serve happens to be brand new... The container shape might be ages-old in the 2270s, or at least date back to the 2260s.

In reality that would make sense, I agree. The only reason it 'feels funny' to me is more an aesthetic thing, in that I can't recall any outright reuse of anything from TOS in TMP. So this one item would seem an oddity of sorts. The spacesuits were brand new...or at least very different from the ones worn in TOS, several auxiliary vehicles are seen but no Galileo-style shuttles, etc. So it's not really an objective conclusion I guess, just something that doesn't 'feel right' to me. Aye, it's not logical, I don' expectcha to understand it.

But on a matter of this severity, Kirk might lie to his own crew, or at least keep things from them. It's not as if a person serving aboard a starship would be able to tell where the ship is and what she does, beyond "I hear the warp engines now, might be warp sixish" or "Have you heard - they sent out a shuttle just moments ago?".

Just to clarify, I was talking about the idea that Kirk would try to hide the entire Khan/Botany Bay incident from Starfleet, not just the part about stranding him. I agree though that his specific whereabouts would probably be classified and not shared with the crew, but not in any 'coverup' sense, just for security.

He's lied to his superiors before, beaten Starfleet personnel unconscious, sabotaged equipment, hijacked starships... Why would he stop at falsifying a log entry?

Again I was referring to covering up the entire incident, which would involve more than a log entry. Sorry for the confusion.

Mark

 

[TIN_MAN]

I remember reading an interview (can't remember where #@!#@!!) where Harve Bennett specifically said they went back and looked at TMP cargo sleds to use them as a basis for the cargo containers in TWOK, besides, there are 'on the set' photos I've seen, that clearly show them to be full scale TMP style cargo containers. So I guess this means the TOS E must have used similar containers?

 

[Timo]

Guess so. However, Khan's hut is made of bigger containers than the merely man-height ones of TMP... Probably there's a range of sizes available.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[TIN_MAN]

^^Either that, or they were just bigger in the old days?

 

[Timo]

A container system should be relatively stable in terms of its standardized measurements, or it is of little use. Sure, there might have been a Federation-wide transition from a bigger system to a smaller one that happened to take place exactly between "Space Seed" (about 2267-68) and whenever TMP happens (between 2273 and 2278), but I'm still more inclined to believe in a range of sizes.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timo]

A container system should be relatively stable in terms of its standardized measurements, or it is of little use. Sure, there might have been a Federation-wide transition from a bigger system to a smaller one that happened to take place exactly between "Space Seed" (about 2267-68) and whenever TMP happens (between 2273 and 2278), but I'm still more inclined to believe in a range of sizes.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Starlock]

Semi-Off-Topic - The Botany Bay makes a cameo appearance as a floating casino in the opening credits of the latest Futurama DVD "The Wild Green Yonder".

 

[Santaman]

I like the space sub a lot, the later versions are quite nice as well.
I very much could imagine a warp driven version for the 22th century.

 

[Praetor]

One might surmise that there was a 'Federation standard' for cargo containers, of various sizes. We just happened to see the stowable type in TMP. Maybe the ones Khan and company were given were of the transfer truck size variety, but of a similar configuration?

And one might also surmise that latter-day modular cargo ships in the Trekverse owe a lot to the pioneering designs of the DY series.