One Spock continuity violation we might struggle with?

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  1. matthunter

    matthunter Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Spock has been obsessed with the red bursts and the Angels for some time, yet in TOS Obsession he tells McCoy he doesn't understand obsessive behaviour. Is he in denial that he WAS obsessed, or is this a continuity error?
     
  2. Tim Thomason

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    Spock is a pathological liar. I don't trust a word he says.
     
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    I guess you could get around that by saying he didn't see himself as obsessed where the Red Angel is concerned.
     
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    Vulcans are obsessive compulsives. They’re also hypocritical bullshitters. Spock’s pursuit of logic was itself obsessive.
     
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    The planet Vulcan should have been named De Nile.
     
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  6. Greg Cox

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    In "Amok Time," Spock also insists that he was not overjoyed to discover that "Jim!' was still alive.

    Vulcans always deny that they behave irrrationally--especially when they behave irrationally. The correct response to such claims is:

    "In a pig's eye!"
     
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    Vulcans are basically those kids in high school who said they didn't masturbate or that girl you knew who said she never farted. That is to say vulcans are big fat liars
     
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    He's a loony bin escapee...don't trust a word he says
     
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  9. matthunter

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    Brett Kavanaugh is Vulcan?!
     
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  10. Locutus of Bored

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    Is it an obsession if you're not an intentional pursuer? Spock's not seeking out these Red Angels of his own free will, he's being forced to see them through visions and what he interprets as "nightmares" outside of his control, but which will probably turn out to be attempts at communication on their part. And I think it's going to be revealed that he's following them now because he has no choice and has to silence them in his mind or else he'll go permanently mad. They're coming to him, he wasn't going after them, at least not before now. It's not Ahab and the white whale. When they stopped contacting him as a child, he didn't try and contact them again until they returned to him in adulthood, and he was "happier" (in Vulcan terms) and more well-adjusted as a result of being disconnected.
     
  11. Alan Roi

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    Come on, without his disciplined logic he can be pretty damn violent. His devotion logic protects both himself and the people around him. The Vulcan devotion to logic is what kept them from destroying themselves. But again, when you follow the maxim, the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few or the one, then their denial makes sense.
     
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    That brings to the forefront a couple of questions ... why did the Red Angles stop appearing to Spock, and how many times before this have they appeared to others?
    :vulcan:
     
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  13. Alan Roi

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    Big fat liars? Compared to whom? Humans? Really?
     
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    Spock was never inconsistent, nor made contradictory statements in TOS!

    Actually, wait...of course he was. And did. :)
     
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    I didn't think about it. And I won't when he shows up in DSC.

    But, what the heck? I don't know if Spock is lying in "Obsession". At least to anyone else, that is. He's probably lying to himself. Calling it something besides obsession.

    I'd say Spock was pretty obsessed about getting Pike to Talos IV in "The Menagerie". He'd have to be to go through all of that. Except he wouldn't call it obsession. He'd call it logic. And I'd call that bullshit.
     
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    He was pretty obsessed with making contact with V'Ger, too. To the extent that he nerve-pinched some innocent crew member in order to take an unauthorized space-walk so he could mind-meld with V'Ger . . ...
     
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  17. Alan Roi

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    Note: Spock's seeming obsessive behavior is about providing aid or enhancing understanding. Its not a Captain Ahab full on hunting something to kill it above all else when that something is a fellow lifeform that is also doing what it has to to survive and doesn't present a major threat. Its understandable that kind of obsession wouldn't make sense to him. And its understandable he wouldn't call what he does obsession. He'd call it persistence because it's aim is non-destructive..
     
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    Fixed that for you. :biggrin:
     
  19. Greg Cox

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    Oops! That's what I meant. Let me go back and fix that.
     
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    Maybe it ends with a mindwipe. That would fix it.