Omega Glory/Assignment: Earth film prints

[johnnybear]

Not just worn but heavily cut by the BBC for years! When I first bought the DVDs I saw many scenes from the series that I hadn't seen before and it was like watching a new show!!!
Kirk and Cogley's first meeting, The Gorn lumbering after Kirk and making threats and Lokai trying to persuade the Enterprise crew to assist him in escaping in the galley!
JB

 

[Ssosmcin]

The Blu-Ray is the first optical disc to feature the original mono mix and the HD-DVD 7.1 surround mix.

I will go to my death disputing the use of the "original mono mix" on the majority of the episodes. Other than Amok Time, none of the 2nd and 3rd season episodes have the original sound mix. Many first season episodes are also using a different mix. The Naked Time, for example, has a very loud exterior engine rumble that was not there before. Any time you hear the engine rumble drown out the captain's log, you know it's wrong.

The blu-ray audio is a mess.

 

[johnnybear]

Not worth upgrading to then?
JB

 

[Ssosmcin]

Not worth upgrading to then?
JB

Depends on how much the sound mix means to you, honestly.

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Curious as to why Amok Time retained the original audio...

 

[Ssosmcin]

Curious as to why Amok Time retained the original audio...

Probably an oversight...

If anyone here has Prime Video, the 3rd season of the original effect versions contains a good number of earlier prints. The original sound mix is intact. They are not as bright and colorful as the HD restoration but more like the DVDs. I’d take a complete series set of these prints

 

[DeepSpaceYorks]

Probably an oversight...

If anyone here has Prime Video, the 3rd season of the original effect versions contains a good number of earlier prints. The original sound mix is intact. They are not as bright and colorful as the HD restoration but more like the DVDs. I’d take a complete series set of these prints

I know it sounds a bit miserablist and pedantic but I really do think an original period mono mix is far more preferable and important than a 7.1 surround mix. It annoys me no end when dvds/Blu-ray's don't include the original as broadcast sound mix.

 

[plynch]

How do you know the original mono mix other than remembering from the 60s/70s?

What is your reference?

I have the clamshell dvds? Are they right?

 

[Ssosmcin]

The closest I have are the Laserdiscs/VHS tapes, but they are "stereo" and I know some of them were futzed with. I know they're not totally true to the original mix, but they were the closest. They didn't ADD sound effects, but some were toned down. I have very early VHS tapes, before the 1985ish remaster. Which are closer.

I noticed those changes after listening to the series for 10 years on cassette tapes, but I do have one 16mm film reel with Bread and Circuses. Using that as a guide, I can say that the sound of THAT episode at least is all sorts of wrong on DVD and blu ray.

And no, the DVDs aren't right in the slightest...

 

[DeepSpaceYorks]

How do you know the original mono mix other than remembering from the 60s/70s?

What is your reference?

I have the clamshell dvds? Are they right?

Isn't there only a 5.1 mix on those clamshell dvds though? There isn't even a mono soundtrack option.

 

[plynch]

No idea.

How do they get a stereo mix from a mono master?

Were the original recording studio tapes recorded in several channels then mixed down to mono for broadcast? Otherwise you can't really get stereo from a mono source. Thanks for the info btw. I am interested in this.

 

[DeepSpaceYorks]

No idea.

How do they get a stereo mix from a mono master?

Were the original recording studio tapes recorded in several channels then mixed down to mono for broadcast? Otherwise you can't really get stereo from a mono source. Thanks for the info btw. I am interested in this.

I'm no expert audio engineer but in order to create a 5.1 from an original mono mix you go back to whatever original elements you have. Clean music, clean effects and clean dialogue. Often times, and this is where the issues start, in order to fill out the 5.1 (in the case of the blurays 7.1!) New music and new effects are added into the mix. These elements are completely unoriginal to the original soundtrack, things like new background atmospheres and a new bass element. These elements will also be panned/moved around the speakers in a way completely unrelated to the original 'as broadcast' mix. In this way you end up with something very different to the original soundtrack people heard in the 60's. Another good example of soundtracks that are compromised are the James Bond films. They have no original mono option on the blurays either.

 

[diankra]

No idea.

How do they get a stereo mix from a mono master?

Were the original recording studio tapes recorded in several channels then mixed down to mono for broadcast? Otherwise you can't really get stereo from a mono source. Thanks for the info btw. I am interested in this.

Good Show remasters have done it. Eccles left, Buebottle right, etc.

 

[johnnybear]

All I know about the music and soundtrack is how cringe worthy the new title music is compared to the original version!!!
JB