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Offended by Christmas???

Warped9

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Of course we're all familiar with it. Retail staff are told to say "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" rather than "Merry Christmas" to customers or when answering the phone. Of course it must also be said that many people openly defy this instruction. :techman:

Every so often someone pushes to have a Christmas Tree on public display referred to as a Holiday Tree instead. Fortunately such a move is usually greeted with a hailstorm of criticism and derision until things go back to normal.

Many big retail outlets tone down or outright don't decorate for Christmas, particularly this year it seems.

Throughout its history Christmas has often been under attack by someone.

And yet we're often told it's supposedly done in fairness to others who don't celebrate Christmas and we shouldn't offend them. Of course what's overlooked are those ones who are actually offended by such moves: those of us who celebrate and hold Christmas in our hearts.

In all my years, while I've met some individuals (mostly white) who don't seem to care for Christmas, never once have I encountered a so-called visible minority who appeared offended or put out in some way by Christmas. Indeed many newcomers to our country (in my case, Canada) seem to welcome and appreciate Christmas and its festive atmosphere and feeling. And never have I encountered anyone who struck me as bothered by being wished a Merry Christmas. Indeed they often reciprocate the greeting in kind.

So just who is it that's really being offended by Christmas? If it isn't those who possibly might be offended then who is it that are so bothered by Christmas that they seem hellbent on erasing its recognition and perhaps even existence?

If one doesn't care for Christmas then that's one's right, but why insist on dumping on everyone else. Christmas isn't just about goodwill towards Christians, but rather peace and goodwill towards all.

How can anyone really be offended by that? :rolleyes:
 
I love wishing Muslims a Merry Christmas. :devil:

In all seriousness, if Christmas offends you, then fine, don't participate in it... but don't also go out of your way to poo-poo on it for the rest of us.
 
I have met quite a few people who are offended by the commercialisation of Christmas, and a few people who don't celebrate Christmas for various reasons but I don't recall ever meeting anyone who was offended by Christmas itself.
 
Of course we're all familiar with it. Retail staff are told to say "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" rather than "Merry Christmas" to customers or when answering the phone. Of course it must also be said that many people openly defy this instruction. :techman:

Every so often someone pushes to have a Christmas Tree on public display referred to as a Holiday Tree instead. Fortunately such a move is usually greeted with a hailstorm of criticism and derision until things go back to normal.

Many big retail outlets tone down or outright don't decorate for Christmas, particularly this year it seems.

Throughout its history Christmas has often been under attack by someone.

And yet we're often told it's supposedly done in fairness to others who don't celebrate Christmas and we shouldn't offend them. Of course what's overlooked are those ones who are actually offended by such moves: those of us who celebrate and hold Christmas in our hearts.

In all my years, while I've met some individuals (mostly white) who don't seem to care for Christmas, never once have I encountered a so-called visible minority who appeared offended or put out in some way by Christmas. Indeed many newcomers to our country (in my case, Canada) seem to welcome and appreciate Christmas and its festive atmosphere and feeling. And never have I encountered anyone who struck me as bothered by being wished a Merry Christmas. Indeed they often reciprocate the greeting in kind.

So just who is it that's really being offended by Christmas? If it isn't those who possibly might be offended then who is it that are so bothered by Christmas that they seem hellbent on erasing its recognition and perhaps even existence?

If one doesn't care for Christmas then that's one's right, but why insist on dumping on everyone else. Christmas isn't just about goodwill towards Christians, but rather peace and goodwill towards all.

How can anyone really be offended by that? :rolleyes:

I wish people "Merry Christmas" if I know them, "Happy Holidays" if I don't. If someone wishes me a "Merry Christmas", I respond in kind. Same for "Happy Holidays". See, there are plenty of other holidays around Christmas time; Kwanzaa, Chanukah, Winter Solstice, etc, and so "Happy Holidays" is a general blessing to everyone, regardless of what they believe. Just as some feel people shouldn't be offended by the wish of a Merry Christmas, it is important that those who observe Christmas shouldn't be offended by those who wish others a "Happy Holidays". It's all about giving blessing and good will to others. To make that into some kind of reason for a "war" or "attack" on Christmas, is to totally lose sight of the reason for the holidays in the first place. This is the spirit of hope and love, a clarion call for togetherness, remembrance, family and friends. A celebration of all the good that is in humanity.

In cases like this, it's best to ignore people who get so easily offended, either for or against. Such people are only happy when they're at war with something. It makes them feel good, it makes them feel justified, like they're doing something good, when all they're doing is taking a time for celebration and nitpicking it to doldrumery. It makes people sigh, when all they'd rather do is wish someone a blessing for their holiday, and not to cause some kind of self-righteous indignation for someone else, in the name of whatever offense it has created of itself.
 
I know the thread is only a few posts old, but I'm shocked there hasn't been a joke about being offended by a stripper and/or whore called Christmas yet.

Stop eating mince pies and entertain me, my little elves.
 
I don't think I have ever heard someone wish people "Happy Holidays" in Australia, saying "Merry Christmas" even to strangers is quite acceptable here. Retail staff etc wish people a "Merry Christmas" without it causing the slightest stir.
 
I don't think I have ever heard someone wish people "Happy Holidays" in Australia, saying "Merry Christmas" even to strangers is quite acceptable here. Retail staff etc wish people a "Merry Christmas" without it causing the slightest stir.

That's interesting. Now, I say "Happy Holidays" out of a genuine desire to wish someone a happy holiday season, so for me, it's usage. Then again, I live in an area that, while dominated by the Christian faith, has a large group of other faiths, so I like to include them all because I want everyone to have a happy season. If I may, Miss Chicken, do you live in a culturally mixed area or is it generally homogeneous?
 
I wouldn't say that it's offensive to non-Christians to be wished a Merry Christmas, as much as it's offensive to not wish them a happy whatever-their-personal-holiday is.

If I were Jewish, and everyone ignored Hannukah but made a point of wishing me a Merry Christmas, I don't know that I'd be offended per se (because I understand where the wish is coming from), but I'd likely wonder why they weren't wishing me a Happy Hannukah three weeks ago.

The bridge club I used to play at was predominantly made up of Jewish people, and every year I got dozens of wishes for a Happy Hannukah. I always responded, "Thank you, and the same to you, but I'm not Jewish." The response was usually, "Really? I thought you were! You look Jewish!" No offense was taken on either side, and we usually had a chuckle out of it.
 
I don't think I have ever heard someone wish people "Happy Holidays" in Australia, saying "Merry Christmas" even to strangers is quite acceptable here. Retail staff etc wish people a "Merry Christmas" without it causing the slightest stir.
Yeah, I've never heard it in the UK either.
 
a whore called Christmas
I bet she only comes once a year.

*sniff*... that's so sweet of you to come up with a punchline. It's... *sniff*... moments like this... *sniff*... that remind me of the true meaning of the festive season! *sniff*

Merry Christmas to all the hos, drunks and drug-addled retards out there. There wouldn't be comedy without you! :techman:
 
I don't think I have ever heard someone wish people "Happy Holidays" in Australia, saying "Merry Christmas" even to strangers is quite acceptable here. Retail staff etc wish people a "Merry Christmas" without it causing the slightest stir.

That's interesting. Now, I say "Happy Holidays" out of a genuine desire to wish someone a happy holiday season, so for me, it's usage. Then again, I live in an area that, while dominated by the Christian faith, has a large group of other faiths, so I like to include them all because I want everyone to have a happy season. If I may, Miss Chicken, do you live in a culturally mixed area or is it generally homogeneous?

We do have some small minority groups in Tasmania - most notable Sudanese and Hmong.

However I am not just talking about my area but Australia in general and Australia is one of the most multicultural nations in the world. I was in Adelaide last December (I think I came back on to Tassie on the 14th) and I while I was in Adelaide only saw Merry Christmas signs up and people only wished me a Merry Christmas not Happy Holidays.
 
I don't think I have ever heard someone wish people "Happy Holidays" in Australia, saying "Merry Christmas" even to strangers is quite acceptable here. Retail staff etc wish people a "Merry Christmas" without it causing the slightest stir.

That's interesting. Now, I say "Happy Holidays" out of a genuine desire to wish someone a happy holiday season, so for me, it's usage. Then again, I live in an area that, while dominated by the Christian faith, has a large group of other faiths, so I like to include them all because I want everyone to have a happy season. If I may, Miss Chicken, do you live in a culturally mixed area or is it generally homogeneous?

We do have some small minority groups in Tasmania - most notable Sudanese and Hmong.

However I am not just talking about my area but Australia in general and Australia is one of the most multicultural nations in the world. I was in Adelaide last December (I think I came back on to Tassie on the 14th) and I while I was in Adelaide only saw Merry Christmas signs up and people only wished me a Merry Christmas not Happy Holidays.

Hm. It must be primarily a U.S. thing, then.
 
A couple of years ago I recall a news item where someone opined that Santa shouldn't be allowed to say "Ho, ho, ho" anymore because it was offensive to "professional sex trade workers" or something. They seemed to overlook that Santa is laughing out of good cheer and not standing on a busy corner late at night pointing out all the hookers. :lol:

Of course the commercialized version of Santa could be considered a big Ho himself particularly if he's working for a store. :lol:
 
I have just looked it up to make sure - each year Adelaide holds the largest Christmas Pageant in the world. This pageant is broadcasted all over Australia (and to other countries as well). It is always referred to using the term Christmas, never Holiday.
 
... Australia is one of the most multicultural nations in the world...

Huh.

Learn something new every day; I always thought it was something you had to agree to give up when you moved to Australia...

Some figures about migration to Australia (according to Wikipedia - and the last Australian census).

The top ten religions in Australia account for less than 63% of the population.

According to the census more than one fifth of the population were born overseas.Furthermore, almost 50% of the population were either:

  • born overseas; or
  • had one or both parents born overseas.
In terms of net migration per capita, Australia is ranked 18th (2008 Data) - ahead of Canada, the USA and most of Europe.

During the 2004-05, total 123,424 people immigrated to Australia. Of them, 17,736 were from Africa, 54,804 from Asia, 21,131 from Oceania, 18,220 from United Kingdom, 1,506 from South America, and 2,369 from Eastern Europe.
 
Actually being offended by Christmas sounds silly to me - but on this board I've seen people seriously upset by Star Trek (2009), and that's just a movie.
 
... Australia is one of the most multicultural nations in the world...

Huh.

Learn something new every day; I always thought it was something you had to agree to give up when you moved to Australia...

Some figures about migration to Australia (according to Wikipedia - and the last Australian census).

The top ten religions in Australia account for less than 63% of the population.

According to the census more than one fifth of the population were born overseas.Furthermore, almost 50% of the population were either:

  • born overseas; or
  • had one or both parents born overseas.
In terms of net migration per capita, Australia is ranked 18th (2008 Data) - ahead of Canada, the USA and most of Europe.

During the 2004-05, total 123,424 people immigrated to Australia. Of them, 17,736 were from Africa, 54,804 from Asia, 21,131 from Oceania, 18,220 from United Kingdom, 1,506 from South America, and 2,369 from Eastern Europe.

This is either the sound of a brilliant - even if I do say so myself - joke whooshing over your head; or the most hilarilously perfect deadpan response in kind that I have ever read.

I'm not sure which possibility pleases me more; a perfect way to round off Christmas Day, so Merry Christmas!
 
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