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Of Friends, Mental Illness, and Suicide

For all of this, it can be hard to see the victories of friendship.

That's a big part of it. Feeling the "failure" of friendship.

Now I'm aware enough to know it's not my fault and there's nothing that I could have done, etc. etc. But I have had a few "what if?" thoughts today...

In the psychology of trauma, we call this "The Fantasy of Undoing". This was very well portrayed in TNG's Tapestry.

PS: Nice signature. I speak Binary, you know....

;)
 
First of all, I am very sorry for your loss. Mental illness is a very tough thing for everyone involved - the sufferer and those around him or her.

And I don't think there is any 'right' or 'wrong' response to your friend's suicide. You feel what you feel, and that is okay. You process loss the way you process loss - and if you are like most people, sometimes you even surprise yourself, in the way you cope with these sorts of situations.

As you know, I have struggled with severe clinical depression for pretty much my whole life. I'm pretty much okay when I take my 'happy pills' and keep up with my running (in truth, I think this does more for me than the meds)...but if I go off the drugs, even if everything is going well, I have to struggle to stay above water. And if I don't run for several days, I start sliding into the hole and must get on the treadmill post haste or risk things getting worse.

But like many people, in my blackest moments I have thought about ending it. And when I did, it wasn't something I WANTED to do...it was something I felt was perhaps the only remaining way out. I love my family (in particular, my sister) but they cannot fix everything...and they can't change my physiological make-up. So the struggle was not at all about hurting them. It was simply about running out of options to help myself.

I am actually glad that you are not angry at your friend, because I don't think it was his intention to hurt anyone. Likely, his intention was simply to end an intolerable level of pain, and he was down to what he genuinely believed to be his last resort. But it wouldn't be 'wrong' if you were angry with him. How you feel is simply how you feel...and you of all people know there is no 'right' and 'wrong' in that.

And I agree with your assessment that he died of Bipolar. No one WANTS to live in pain (if they do, they have other mental illness issues entirely), and no one I have ever met who struggles with bipolar, depression, or any other similar struggle wants to be that way. These illnesses make life a LOT more difficult. And life is difficult enough without the handicap of these sorts of struggles. Obviously, those who struggle never know what life would have been like if not for their own metabolisms, brain chemistry, or whatever sabotaging them. But we know this much - it would have been a lot easier. Therefore, I sort of see what happened to your friend as a sort of 'drowning' in a vat of molasses, in a way. The illness, like the molasses, makes it alot harder to keep treading...which is hard enough for 'normal' people treading regular water! And so finally, utterly exhausted, he just couldn't do it anymore. Not for lack of trying, because he tried for a very long time. But at a certain point, he just couldn't keep treading any longer. The molasses (ie, the illness) simply exhausted him earlier than treading in water would have. And in that way, the illness killed him in a very real way.

In any event, I am so very sorry for your loss...and so sorry for his family.
 
I keep asking myself if it is wrong to have the thought that at least he's not suffering anymore? Is it wrong to not be mad at him?
Neither of these is wrong. You can't know what it was like to be in the place he was, but understanding that he was hurting in a way no one else could fix isn't wrong at all.
 
Bi polar... it's a horrible thing. I remember a few years ago reading up on it and doctors really didn't understand it and they did the best they could to fight it. How can you win a fight when you don't know what you are fighting. So sad.
 
For all of this, it can be hard to see the victories of friendship.

That's a big part of it. Feeling the "failure" of friendship.

Now I'm aware enough to know it's not my fault and there's nothing that I could have done, etc. etc. But I have had a few "what if?" thoughts today...

In the psychology of trauma, we call this "The Fantasy of Undoing". This was very well portrayed in TNG's Tapestry.

PS: Nice signature. I speak Binary, you know....

;)

Shush, I want to see how long I can get away with it. :p

I haven't had anyone I know kill themselves thankfully, but I did have a good friend try. That was a rough night. Let me just say that you don't want to get between me and my friend if you are withholding information on if he is alright; I nearly threw someone through a wall.

I don't know what I would do if I lost a friend to suicide. Maybe that's why I am fiercely protective of them.

It is a bit funny,but you know what got me through my worst depression? Movies. My thought process is "Well, if I kill myself now, I'll miss the next Star Trek(Star Wars, Thor, etc.) movie."
 
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend, digits.

I have a family member who is mentally ill. We, as a family, really didn't realize to what extent until a few years ago. The knowledge has totally changed how I feel about her - meaning that any animosity, anger and frustration over her past behaviors has melted away to be replaced by compassion.

In these cases, often there is nothing we CAN do. The system does NOT work and not for family. If an adult doesn't want to take care of him/herself, no one cares, unless the family has lots of $$$$ and good lawyers. Because those victims have RIGHTS you know. Even the right to destroy themselves.

It's a hard road. All one can do in a case of mental illness is to do the best you can and not beat yourself up. There are no easy fixes and no easy answers.

I'm sure you were a good friend, digits, just as his family was probably just fine. He just had this broken thing in his brain and in the end, it won. We just don't know enough about permanently fixing some of these issues. Too many times, it's "pills, pills, pills" and those taking them stop - either because they don't like the side-effects/bother or they feel better so think that they don't need them anymore.
 
In these cases, often there is nothing we CAN do. The system does NOT work and not for family. If an adult doesn't want to take care of him/herself, no one cares, unless the family has lots of $$$$ and good lawyers. Because those victims have RIGHTS you know. Even the right to destroy themselves.

That's exactly right. We do not force mental health care on to people unless they are extremely dangerous. This is good of course, from a civil rights point of view.

But for the family and friends watching it happen like a train wreck in slow motion, it is agonizing.

:(
 
I think we've gone too far the other way. Used to be, victims could be abused. Now - those who need help often don't get it. We need a happy medium. :/

With two different people I've seen how helpless bystanders can be.

Also - when someone is suicidal, I find that to be dangerous. Regrettably, those in charge of the rules and laws don't agree.
 
*hugs* I'm so sorry for your loss, Digits. :(

My cousin is bipolar, and has attempted suicide several times. I really worry that someday she'll succeed. :( It's hell on the family, and I think the only reason she's still alive at all is because her husband has been there for her for so long.
 
I think about suicide all the time...it is due to my circumstances...if things were better...I would feel better and all...and even when I feel like giving up...I don't want to give up what I truly want...I just want out of my situation and my life to get better...and I am not sure how to change that at this point. :shrug:
 
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