NX-01 sister ships in lit?

[William Leisner]

Nothing in canon or books seems to require the Daedalus to be a "workhorse" for the early Federation, AFAIK. Unless we consider Starfleet: Year One, which seems to have been so badly trampled by ENT and the ENT books that the bits there that refer to the Daedalus class probably need to be "reinterpreted" just as thoroughly as all the other bits.

I'm pretty sure SCE: Foundations out-and-out calls the Daedalus-class Lovell a workhorse at one point or another.

And realy, I don't think Starfleet: Year One has been that badly trampled. Stomped on crushed, sure, but large parts are still salvagable...

 

[BrotherBenny]

Starfleet would have been given the warp seven engine design as part of technology sharing when the Federation was founded, along with shields (from the Andorians), tractor beams (from the Vulcans) and who knows what from the Tellarites.

Canonically, we have no idea what the fleet's starship du jour was after the Daedalus-class and before the Connie's introduction in the 2240s, but piecing things together, we know the NX-class ships were being decommissioned at the time of the Founding (TATV), and the Daedalus-class were decommissioned in 2196 (SCE Foundation) and we know that the Big E (1701) was twenty-ish years old when Kirk took command in the 2260s, so it was introduced in the 2240s (as seen by Trip in LFM).

 

[Turbo]

They could break with Enterprise's not-quite-intentional opening-credits parochialism with NX-07 Buran. NX-08 could be Ptichka, or Avenger in the interest of maintaining the vast and inexplicable web of connections that join us and the mirror universe.

Minor point, but the ISS Avenger was NX-09.

Canonically, we have no idea what the fleet's starship du jour was after the Daedalus-class and before the Connie's introduction in the 2240s, but piecing things together, we know the NX-class ships were being decommissioned at the time of the Founding (TATV), and the Daedalus-class were decommissioned in 2196 (SCE Foundation) and we know that the Big E (1701) was twenty-ish years old when Kirk took command in the 2260s, so it was introduced in the 2240s (as seen by Trip in LFM).

We don't know for sure that all of the NX-class ships were decommissioned in 2161. It's possible that Enterprise was decommissioned and placed in a museum in honor of her role in founding the Federation, while the other surviving NX-class ships entered into Federation service.

 

[David cgc]

They could break with Enterprise's not-quite-intentional opening-credits parochialism with NX-07 Buran. NX-08 could be Ptichka, or Avenger in the interest of maintaining the vast and inexplicable web of connections that join us and the mirror universe.

Minor point, but the ISS Avenger was NX-09.

Damn my sieve-like memory and lack of DVDs!

 

[Turbo]

They could break with Enterprise's not-quite-intentional opening-credits parochialism with NX-07 Buran. NX-08 could be Ptichka, or Avenger in the interest of maintaining the vast and inexplicable web of connections that join us and the mirror universe.

Minor point, but the ISS Avenger was NX-09.

Damn my sieve-like memory and lack of DVDs!

That's what Memory Alpha is for.

 

[Timo]

He means NX class.

Actually, I sort of mean Enterprise class. "NX class" could well be an alternate expression for that more systematic class designation; perhaps Starfleet would build several other NX classes in the future, apart from the pathfinding Enterprise class, perhaps not, but during the show it would make no difference whether to refer to the two ships as NX class or Enterprise class.

This would be similar to the real-world situation of AEGIS class vs. Ticonderoga class. "AEGIS class" was a commonplace expression originally, but it got too ambiguous and was outdated when other AEGIS classes such as Arleigh Burke, Kongo and Álvaro de Bazán appeared.

I mean, that's too good a coincidence not to be used: NX sounds like a perfect generic type description for Starfleet's first New Xploration ship, and a catchy designation that would supercede the mundane "named after first ship in class" terminology in the mouths of the users and aficionados alike...

Ranting aside, I'd still very much like to see the ship class referred to as Enterprise class at some point. Especially after the transition from UE Starfleet to UFP Starfleet, as the latter organization isn't in the habit of using alternate designation practices.

I'm pretty sure SCE: Foundations out-and-out calls the Daedalus-class Lovell a workhorse at one point or another.

That doesn't really refer to the role of the original Daedalus class, though.

Cover art aside, does the Lovell even look like a Daedalus any more? The SCE role might well have called for a couple of interesting modifications...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

He means NX class.

Actually, I sort of mean Enterprise class. "NX class" could well be an alternate expression for that more systematic class designation; perhaps Starfleet would build several other NX classes in the future, apart from the pathfinding Enterprise class, perhaps not, but during the show it would make no difference whether to refer to the two ships as NX class or Enterprise class.

The only thing that matters is what they've used onscreen, and NX class is it.

 

[Timo]

Why would only onscreen stuff matter on this forum? Trek novel writing is all about doing that which is allowed by onscreen stuff, while the stuff that actually is on screen is of no particular interest. We've seen and heard it already, after all.

Starfleet of the 2150s was established to use class names for one of its classes (Neptune in "Singularity"), and possibly for another (Triton in "Minefield", although that could have been the name of a weapon, too). It was never established to use letter designations for any ship class besides Archer's ride. People in ENT did refer to various civilian vessels by letter codes, however, just like in TOS.

Also, just like in TOS, one Starfleet vessel type was referred to as "letter class". In TOS, it was "Class J" for that training vessel in "The Menagerie" - and there, too, it could have referred to a broad category of vessels rather than a specific class. After all, generic references to "scout class" or "courier class" exist.

As for the use of NX class on screen, there are two occasions. The first comes from "Fortunate Son", where Archer says that there are three more NX class ships on the drawing boards, and later specifies that his ship is of NX class as well. The second is from "E2", identifying the copy of Archer's ship as Starfleet design, NX class.

Neither of these contradicts the idea that "NX class" would be something that our heroes use in lieu of the official designation of their own ship. The usage is not in a formal occasion in either case, and in the second half of the first case it actually appears that "NX class" is supposed to describe the general abilities of the ship: Archer brags that his vessel is of this class, hence poses a great threat to the enemy. That would be understandable if "NX" were analogous to "heavy cruiser" or "AEGIS", but less so if it were analogous to Nimitz or Ticonderoga.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[fleetcaptain]

Triton was the torpedo they used before the photonic torpedo was introduced in The Expanse.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why would only onscreen stuff matter on this forum? Trek novel writing is all about doing that which is allowed by onscreen stuff, while the stuff that actually is on screen is of no particular interest. We've seen and heard it already, after all.

No other name for the NX class has ever been used - even in the novels. That's the point. You can make up your own name if you like, but until it gets used, what's the point, really?

 

[Timo]

Umm, the point was to suggest that the name be used in future novels. And, to that goal, to indicate that it sort of makes sense.

Triton was the torpedo they used before the photonic torpedo was introduced in The Expanse.

Or then, considering the ambiguous wording, it was the ship class that used that type of torpedo. Perhaps even the class represented by the Intrepid, which has two torpedo tubes identical to those of Archer's ship?

Reed: "The closest thing I'm familiar with that this device resembles is a Triton class spatial torpedo. I've disarmed at least half a dozen of those."

Whatever that thing, it probably isn't the standard type of torpedo loaded on NX-01, or Reed wouldn't be speaking of it in such a manner.

Timo Saloniemi