Nova class deckplans

[Vinkula]

I want the Nova classes deck plans. Cygnus-x1 has them, but they don't work (If I click the image for larger, it says something like, the website isn't currently available.
Here's the Cygnys site: http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sd-uss-nova-nx-72228.php

Thanks

 

[sojourner]

Quoted from the "recent updates" section of the cygnus site:

Update: February 20th, 2011 --- Before getting into the latest updates, I want to discuss the recent closing of Strategic Designs; the company and creative force behind some of the most detailed Star Trek blueprints ever produced. I've worked closely with the orignial artist and company owner of SD ever since they began selling blueprints back in 2006. I was happy to help spread the word about their work by displaying samples of their blueprints on my site. Without question, they were always met with excitement and enthusiasm throughout the Trek community. While I won't get into the details surrounding SD's demise, I will be considering opening up all of the SD blueprints available on this site for full viewing. Out of respect for the originators of SD, I want to ensure that they will be okay with this approach. I know a lot of you think that, simply because SD is no longer in existence, their blueprints are fair game and I should display all of them in full resolution. I can appreciate that opinion, however I want to do this "by the book".

Accordingly, for now, all SD blueprints will remain untouched - though I will begin to remove all link-backs to the former SD website to avoid any further confusion. Further, I was able to purchase two more SD blueprint sets which I will be uploading over the next week.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Unfortunately, their overall length is incorrect (160m instead of ~222m). This is why it pays to get one's project licensed and pursue it only if all the necessary parties can be involved as well (Rick Sternbach, Tim Earls, perhaps Doug Drexler, someone who can provide set blueprints...)

 

[Bill Morris]

I'm a bit confused by this new figure of 221.74 meters for the length. If you simply measure things and do some math, a length of 165 meters puts the decks 3.75 meters (12.3') apart, which is reasonable. At 221.74 meters overall length, it comes to 5.0467 meters deck to deck, which seems excessive for this vessel. And the original (canon) MSD shows the decks no more than 13 feet (3.96 meters) apart, since it shows human figures a little less than half a deck height tall, which still makes 12.3' (for overall length of 165 meters) pretty close to what has been shown.

And before this new figure came out the EAS analysis showed 3.5 meters deck to deck, based on a slightly lower estimate for overall length than my assumed 165 meters and probably measuring from a different diagram, creating a small difference.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Which image did you measure?

I'm doing a little ship for the season finale that will have 8 decks; six of them are 13' center-to-center (and allowing 1.5-2' for structures), and two of them are 16'.

 

[Bill Morris]

Which image did you measure?

I'm doing a little ship for the season finale that will have 8 decks; six of them are 13' center-to-center (and allowing 1.5-2' for structures), and two of them are 16'.

In that case, the figure of 221.74 meters (727.5') for overall length does work when measuing from the CGI side view provided at Drex Files. I'll update the dimensions on my schematic.

Thanks for the info, Boris.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

No problem. Yes, I don't think we have a more reliable side view than the one from Drex Files.

 

[SicOne]

Haven't we pretty much determined here in BBS discussion, DS9TM aside, that the Defiant was 120m rather than 172m?

If that's so, does that reduce the Nova back to 160m?

 

[Boris Skrbic]

The Defiant pathfinder presumably isn't canonical (or did it show up on an Okudagram?), and neither is Rick Sternbach's origin story of the Nova-class, which says that an admiral reused the pathfinder concept once it had been abandoned. However, if you want to work it in, we can always suppose that the Defiant parts on the pathfinder were smaller than on the DS9TM top view, or maybe they were scaled down for the Defiant, BoP-style, though I don't like that idea. Either way, this would be a weak argument for resizing the ship.

(Offscreen, the pathfinder was obviously designed with a 171m Defiant in mind, since that is the figure used everywhere in the book except in Doug Drexler's MSD and deck plans -- yes, even in Doug Drexler's exterior views, which is why I don't believe he ever measured the length of his interior drawings.)

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

To be fair to Mr. Drexler, he did an inhuman amount of work on that tech manual.

Although the fact that he made a mistake proves he is neither an android nor a Vulcan.

So, he must be the more sinister variety of alien infiltrator.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

I'm not criticizing, just reporting an observation.

 

[Bill Morris]

Well, thanks to that valuable bit of information from Boris, I've already updated my Nova schematc, using the Drex Files images to extrapolate beam and height from the length of 221.74:

http://lcars24.com/schem13.html

And for the Defiant deck plans, I'm staying with 120 meters and not having any trouble making things fit. The 6.5-meter Chaffee has plenty of clearance in the launch bay, exactly as seen on screen, the escape pods at 3.5 meters in diameter sit in place neatly, and rooms fit like a glove, as do the rather narrow corridors we saw on screeen. As for the windows facing inward on deck 4, so what? SpaceShipOne and SpaceShipTwo have lots of lilttle windows without having multiple decks, the Work Bee has upper and lower windows, and a typical city transit bus has windows in the front boarding door that extend below floor level.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

And there is no proof that those are windows.

 

[Bill Morris]

What they could be is just translucent windows not for looking out but as reference for shuttle and work bee pilots, like landing lights on a runway but at no energy cost if the lights are on inside anyway. Just idle speculation.

 

[Timo]

Having lights on in a dedicated stealth ship is a somewhat silly idea, when they even go to the (even more silly) trouble of dimming the bridge lights when cloaked...

...But then again, shuttles probably wouldn't be operated when the cloak is up.

Personally, I find it perfectly natural that windows on a downcanted part of a ship's hull would be fairly small, for psychological reasons: less vertigo, and fewer grease marks from palms or noses. Two rows per deck would be quite defensible.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Patrickivan]

I love the Nova Class. One of my favorite post Galaxy Class designs.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The Defiant pathfinder presumably isn't canonical (or did it show up on an Okudagram?), and neither is Rick Sternbach's origin story of the Nova-class, which says that an admiral reused the pathfinder concept once it had been abandoned. However, if you want to work it in, we can always suppose that the Defiant parts on the pathfinder were smaller than on the DS9TM top view, or maybe they were scaled down for the Defiant, BoP-style, though I don't like that idea. Either way, this would be a weak argument for resizing the ship.

(Offscreen, the pathfinder was obviously designed with a 171m Defiant in mind, since that is the figure used everywhere in the book except in Doug Drexler's MSD and deck plans -- yes, even in Doug Drexler's exterior views, which is why I don't believe he ever measured the length of his interior drawings.)

Or you could just assume a 220 meter Defiant and call it a day. It's not as if the ship flies around with a giant ruler painted on the side of it.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Yes, it does in a way. The MSD is a significant ruler seen in many episodes, often with closeups which also included the derived deck plans. Consequently, the MSD must override the few episodes where it was implied that the ship has more decks (or this must be rationalized with the MSD in mind) otherwise we risk breaking the integrity of the show as filmed. Remember, the canon remains the overriding concern, and since it isn't perfect, theories must be developed as best-fit scenarios.

 

[Bill Morris]

The derived deck plans would be this, seen in Engineering on the Defiant-class U.S.S. Valiant, on the wall behind Nog while he was treaking the warp system and talking to Jake:

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Yes, it does in a way. The MSD...

Isn't painted on the side of the ship, and isn't accurate even at face value. Nor is it INTENDED to be, for that matter.