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Nielsen will count DVR...gee thanks!

joncreed

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According to the LA Times, the Nielsen Ratings will now add DVR to the ratings numbers. Imagine if those dinosaurs would've done this 3 years ago...wasn't "Enterprise" one of the top five series recorded on DVR? Nielsen resisted for so long but had to take notice because DVR playback takes up nearly 20% of Nielsen's national sample of TV viewers. Obviously DVR viewership wasn't 20% back in '04 but I'm guessing Enterprise's rating would've increased by 3 or 4 million, not too bad for the defunct UPN. Playback ratings would've helped "Enterprise" considerably because DVR viewers are the coveted 18-40 demographic.

This not related to the controversial practice of counting ratings from multiple showings- that would've helped "Enterprise" as well because it was repeated on Sundays in most markets AND would've helped in the bigger markets when pre-empted by baseball.
 
joncreed said:
According to the LA Times, the Nielsen Ratings will now add DVR to the ratings numbers. Imagine if those dinosaurs would've done this 3 years ago...wasn't "Enterprise" one of the top five series recorded on DVR? Nielsen resisted for so long but had to take notice because DVR playback takes up nearly 20% of Nielsen's national sample of TV viewers. Obviously DVR viewership wasn't 20% back in '04 but I'm guessing Enterprise's rating would've increased by 3 or 4 million, not too bad for the defunct UPN. Playback ratings would've helped "Enterprise" considerably because DVR viewers are the coveted 18-40 demographic.

This not related to the controversial practice of counting ratings from multiple showings- that would've helped "Enterprise" as well because it was repeated on Sundays in most markets AND would've helped in the bigger markets when pre-empted by baseball.

Wouldn't have helped I don't think. Les Mooves felt the show (and Star Trek in general) didn't appeal to the type of audience UPN wanted at that time; and he only agreed to a 4th Season because (at that time) UPN and Paramount Pictures were under the same parent company - and that parent companty wanted 100 episodes fopr the syndication package.

Ratings was the final reason given for canellation; but when you look at the REST of the artings picture for UPN at the time, ENT was one of its highest rated shows (after America's Next Top Model); so, given that; you can't blame ENT for the fact that NO ONE really watched UPN in general; and that overal, its level of national coverage more equaled that of a niche cable network (like Sci-Fi ;)).

But bottom line - Moonves wanted NT gone because it didn't fit his new network direction (which was sooo successful, UPN merged with the WB to become the CW); so no matter what, ENT would be gone. Remember too that a couple of cable networks STILL wanted to pick up ENT - yet Paramount decided too, that with 700+ hours of Star Trek across 5 series; they felt they were beating a dead horse; and could get a larger profit margin by just selling syndication rights of those 700+ hours, without spending money, studio space and other resources continuing with new episodes.

But, bottom line - Unless the DVR ratings boosted ENT to say, CSI levels back in the day, and remember, ALL shows ratings, (including those like CSI) would have gotten a ratings boost from including DVRs; thus ENT may have still b een in the same relative boat due to UPN's poor national coverage.

MANY thing contribiuted to ENT's demise. Believe it or not, I don't think the ratings were the primary factor either. Remember that, out of the 4 modern Star trek series; only TNG was considered a big success as it maintained and gained viewers during its run; while EVERY Star Trek series produced after TNG bled viewers every season.
 
Believe it or not, I don't think the ratings were the primary factor either.
Nor do I, really. Les Moonves had his mind made up to cancel this show and he would have, no matter what happened.
 
i dont know. the numbers may have been great enough to have made canceling a lot more difficult.
there were even interviews with the cast were they said the weekend ratings were really great but it was hurting the show because they were not counted.
every once in awhile some numbers slipped out that showed the weekend was equal if not more then the weekday showing.

and it was probably especially true for markets were the during the week show was preempted for sports and people got into the habit of watching the weekend show.
add in dvr which i think enterprise also had a lot of people doing that could have the show with several million more viewers.
 
Anna Yolei said:
Believe it or not, I don't think the ratings were the primary factor either.
Nor do I, really. Les Moonves had his mind made up to cancel this show and he would have, no matter what happened.

Moonves is a powerful man but he's not George Paley or whatever his name was who cancelled "Gilligan's Island" because he couldn't stand the show, despite good ratings. If DVR viewers were counted 3 years ago and showed 6 to 8 million he would've had to answer to Sumner Redstone and the Viacom shareholders. Redstone is obsessed with Viacom's shares and the Ad People would go to Les and say, "I know you don't like the show but these first run and DVR viewers are the 18 to 40 demographic we need." With those increased numbers, ol Les would've had big a set of balls to cancel "Enterprise" to go with "Kevin Hill," "Veronica Mars," and the rest of those dead shows from the Useless Parts Network.
 
I thought the DVR would have raised ratings 25 percent, IIRC from some information on the board that has since been pruned. In season four 25 percent of 3 million is about 750,000 folks. I don't see LM keeping the show around for that little payoff from a demographic he couldn't care less about.
 
^ Good point. Add to that, most shows would have seen an increase in ratings under this scheme, some 18%, some 29%, etc. The only way it would have made a difference is if the DVR ratings were proportionally so high that it boosted Enterprise up in rank.

With DVR ratings included, overall expectations go up as well, so you need a huge DVR audience to change anyone's mind.
 
I dunno-I am not sure it would have made a huge difference. You would have needed a lot of DVR's to make a big difference, and I think it would have been tough to really garner enough DVR's in 04 to have changed any outcomes.
 
it isnt the dvrs with enterprise as much as counting those weekend airings.
which is also helping heros.
 
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