News? Stories from Dubious Sources

[BillJ]

Well, Yellowstone itself ended after five seasons, and none of its spin-offs have lasted as long. I guess by the logic of this thread, that franchise is an indisputable failure?

For that matter, the only one of Taylor Sheridan's other shows to get five seasons is Mayor of Kingstown. And that too is ending with the fifth season. Good god, Taylor Sheridan only produces failures! No wonder Paramount fired him forcing him to run with his tail tucked between his legs to Peacock.

Wow, you and I have a far different opinion of this place. Frankly, there are people here who dislike a lot of the Kurtzman era. Most actually have fair points and decent discussions about it. Many also try to look at it objectively, not just shit on it. There are a lot of other places on the web that you can do that if you don’t appreciate the level of nuance here.

Testify!

 

[Daddy Todd]

There have been drumbeats that current Star Trek has been ruining the franchise since 1987.

I think you mean 1979.

Or 1973

Maybe 1968…?

 

[Campe]

They ruined Star Trek when Spock didn’t start showing slight emotion in episode 6.

 

[Ovation]

They ruined Star Trek when Spock didn’t start showing slight emotion in episode 6.

Production order or broadcast order?

 

[fireproof78]

No, that's r/star_trek

/r/startrek is the nicer one.

Not by much.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Production order or broadcast order?

Stardate order.

 

[Campe]

Alphabetical order?

 

[Tuskin38]

Stardate order.

funnily enough, the season episode charts on Memory-Alpha you can sort by Stardate, though it places any episode with an unknown date to the bottom of the list.

 

[Mudd]

In all honesty, Prodigy was fantastic. It failed because fandom thought an animated show about teenagers was beneath them.

I tried it. It was an unremarkable kid's show, heavy on callbacks.

"Let's recreate a bunch of oldTrek characters on the holodeck!"

 

[Firebird]

funnily enough, the season episode charts on Memory-Alpha you can sort by Stardate, though it places any episode with an unknown date to the bottom of the list.

I did a spreadsheet version for the hell of it where I either used alternate sources or did some estimation to plug the unknowns into a sensible order.

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[Detached Nacelle]

No, that's r/star_trek

/r/startrek is the nicer one.

 

[drt]

I did a spreadsheet version for the hell of it where I either used alternate sources or did some estimation to plug the unknowns into a sensible order.

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curious, how did you derive “BEM” from a fotonovel? Or did you mean Log 9?

 

[Firebird]

curious, how did you derive “BEM” from a fotonovel? Or did you mean Log 9?

It’s been a while since I put it together, but I think I sourced that from Memory Beta.

 

[Steve Roby]

Going back a couple of days...

And that's not even considering the "not real Trek " accusations hurled at ENTERPRISE.

To be fair, it wasn't the mean fans who decided the show shouldn't even be called Star Trek until its third season.

(For the benefit of younger fans out there, TPTB decided that Enterprise should not have Star Trek in its title for its first two seasons.)

 

[UssGlenn]

Well, Yellowstone itself ended after five seasons, and none of its spin-offs have lasted as long. I guess by the logic of this thread, that franchise is an indisputable failure?

Huh, usually 10 episodes seasons too. Never would have thought to check that.

 

[TheAussieGonz]

funnily enough, the season episode charts on Memory-Alpha you can sort by Stardate, though it places any episode with an unknown date to the bottom of the list.

That's odd. I would think that almost any episode can be dated at least between two other 'stardated' episodes based on character development and continuity. I guess it would take some dedication to watch and assess, but famdon is not short on dedication.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Going back a couple of days...



To be fair, it wasn't the mean fans who decided the show shouldn't even be called Star Trek until its third season.

(For the benefit of younger fans out there, TPTB decided that Enterprise should not have Star Trek in its title for its first two seasons.)

I'll never get over one fan declaring that NX stood for Never eXisting

 

[Mudd]

Better than we know some of the characters from the Roddenberry and Berman Eras and less than others. Them showing up in every episode doesn't equal "development." Many so called main characters were shut out of ant significant development. They'd get tossed a bone or two every season at best. So I can't hold up Old Trek at the "Golden Age" of character depth.

Ortegas is pretty well developed for a character who has has one focus episode. A very distinct personality. We've met her brother. We know she was a pilot in the war. Seems to suffer from PTSD. And of course, she flies the ship.

Chapel has been at the forefront of several SNW episodes. She's pretty much the female lead at this point. Had a whole backstory episode that she shared with M'Benga, fleshing out their relationship. So I don't know why she made your list.

We got a fair amount of backstory on Tilly and Raffi too, IIRC.

Ortegas, Chapel, La'An, Uhura - we know most of the SNW characters far better than we knew Crusher, LaForge, et al.

Aside from the Triumvirate, the TOS characters were accents and tics-of-the-week. They're popular as comfort - we've seen them a lot and recognize them.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I did a spreadsheet version for the hell of it where I either used alternate sources or did some estimation to plug the unknowns into a sensible order.

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To refresh our memories, "Bem" is given a stardate in the episode, stated as 7403.6, right up front.

But it's far out of sequence wtih respect to the other episodes.

 

[Firebird]

To refresh our memories, "Bem" is given a stardate in the episode, stated as 7403.6, right up front.

But it's far out of sequence wtih respect to the other episodes.

Yup, and that original stardate is listed in there.