New Information about the Nickelodeon Cartoon

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by The Overlord, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. Christopher

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    I brought up the idea once before in another thread, and suggested it might be fun to see fan art based on the idea. But there were no takers.
     
  2. Danja

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    I'll just leave this here ... :whistle:
     
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  3. 2020

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    Hadn't heard that one before. It's...horrible.
     
  4. The Overlord

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    Still doesn't change the fact the cheap animation and tiny voice cast often undermined the show and that TV animation has changed a lot since the 1970s. Since at least the 90s, shows as Batman and X-Men raised the bar on what can be done on a kid's animated show (dealing with issues like drug abuse and genocide) and really animated shows have mostly went in that direction and really making Star Trek TAS show its age.

    This show will have to be a bit more modern to thrive, certainly teach the Star Trek ethos, but present it something the kids would like today.
     
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  5. Christopher

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    Of course not, but that's a different topic altogether from whether it was targeted specifically at kids. There was nothing about TAS's writing that was any more kid-oriented than TOS aside from the lessened violence and sexuality.
     
  6. The Overlord

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    But my point is the low production values let down the stories in that series, the cheap animation and tiny voice cast undermined the stories and really the type of stories for an animated show that TAS is no longer that novel like there were in the 70s, nowadays you have kids cartoons that will take on heavier subject matter, that has been increasingly the case since the 90s.

    Look at the production values in say this scene, in a series also made by Nickelodeon:



    Something like Avatar the Last Airbender tackles heavy subject matter and has great production values.
     
  7. Christopher

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    And I am not refuting that point. I am addressing the other point you made about whether it was written for children. They're separate and unrelated questions, and clarifying one is not an argument against the other.
     
  8. The Overlord

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    Fair enough, but I am not sure it was the most adult thing Star Trek produced either, episodes like the Practical Joker or that episode with the giant Spock clone are pretty silly, there were some interesting ideas in some of the episodes, like the where Kirk meets an alien that looks like the devil or the one where Spock's pet died, but overall it is not one of the best things Star Trek has produced.

    Just saying Star Trek TAS is better than its peers in the 70s in terms of being a complex doesn't really mean much now, how does the writing on Star Trek TAS compare to Batman TAS, X-Men TAS, Gargoyles, the 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Steven Universe, Avatar the Last Airbender, etc. Star Trek TAS is more of a relic then people realize, being novel in the 70s doesn't really matter anymore if we have animated shows that are willing to tackle heavier subject matter and that has been the case since the 90s.

    Heck I am not even comparing Star Trek TAS to something like Castlevania, which is something pointedly aimed at adults and has amazing animation and a pretty sizable voice cast.
     
  9. Christopher

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    There is plenty of silliness in TOS too. A giant Spock clone is no sillier than a giant Apollo. Radiation shrinking the crew is no sillier than Flint shrinking the Enterprise down to a tabletop model. Kirk and Spock being changed into water-breathers is no sillier than Kirk being accelerated to superspeed by Scalosian water. Name any silly thing in TAS and I can name something equally silly in TOS. It's a category error to assume those silly elements had anything to do with the target age range. That's just how science fiction television was written back then.


    No, but it is still objectively true, and therefore it matters. I am not refuting that modern animation is better. I am not addressing that point at all. I am merely clarifying the facts about 1970s animation, because a lot of people get those facts wrong.
     
  10. 2020

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    Full-size inflatable Enterprise?
     
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  11. Christopher

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    Well, first off, that's not actually silly at all. There's been research into using inflatable structures as space habitats as far back as 1961. They work well in microgravity because you don't need structural bracing to support them, just internal air pressure -- and since the external pressure is next to zero, you don't need that much internal pressure for inflation. Also, something like a solar sail would be a component that was stored very compactly and could expand to an enormous size once in space. If the decoy Enterprise were made of thin enough Mylar or similar material, it would be quite compact before inflation, not that hard for the ship's fabricators to create.

    But if you want something silly floating in space near the Enterprise, how about a gigantic amoeba? Or a disembodied green hand? Or Abe Lincoln? Or an immobilizing tractor web that takes so many hours to weave around a ship that it only works if the ship is already immobilized anyway?
     
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    I personally like the literal devil showing up in TAS.
     
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    I don't think we need a spin off about Riker's penis.
     
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    First of all, that was the greatest concept in the history of Star Trek and I watch every episode and movie in the hopes they'll resurrect it.
     
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    I think it being a Dreadnought originated in the Alan Dean Foster Star Trek Log novelization.

    I wanna see an inflatable USS Vengeance:lol:
     
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    Yeah, I think you’re right about that.
     
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  18. Christopher

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    Yes, I just checked, and it was. Foster had Sulu call it "one of the old Federation dreadnoughts," of a class that was never built because such heavily armed ships proved unnecessary. Also it was twenty times the Enterprise's size, which intimidated the Romulans into slowing their approach (at least until they got close enough to tell it was fake).
     
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  19. CaptainXaviOfEarth

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    I would have thought the Kirk casting rumours related to this show, not Enterprise/Strange New World. But they could use the same actor for both (with their likeness and voice used here).
     
  20. Serveaux

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    Best thing to do about TAS is skip it.
     
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