Nemesis: Was that "stellar cartography" a joke?

[AFEK ESLCAFE W]

It was so obvious that the stellar cartography set got the budget ax from Generations to Nemesis that they may as well have given that room with the viewscreen another name just to avoid the comparison.

Was that supposed to be somekind of "half-wink" joke to the audience by the writer saying that they lost the budget battle in creating an elaborate set for that room again, or something?

 

[Therin of Andor]

It was so obvious that the stellar cartography set got the budget ax from Generations to Nemesis that they may as well have given that room with the viewscreen another name just to avoid the comparison.

It was a different ship.

 

[Kemaiku]

1. Different ship.

2. The Enterprise E is much smaller (internal volume) but has more advanced technology, set 8 years after Generations.

3. Data mentions an uplink to Starfleet Cartography, the position of an assault fleet with their ID's displayed, implying that room is a smaller secure command room with a coded data channel for just that use, like the NX-01 CIC.

4. The Galaxy class is much larger, meant be independent and spend up to 7 years away from major installations, the Enterprise due to scripting reasons stayed closer to home but still, she is a wandering science ship/platform and is making many of these maps herself, or adding to them, making the class the perfect choice for such a system.

5. You're over thinking a tiny scene in a bad movie, stop it.

 

[Admiral Shran]

But over-thinking things is what we do best.

 

[Kemaiku]

The migraines are never worth it.

 

[DonIago]

It was so obvious that the stellar cartography set got the budget ax from Generations to Nemesis that they may as well have given that room with the viewscreen another name just to avoid the comparison.

Was that supposed to be somekind of "half-wink" joke to the audience by the writer saying that they lost the budget battle in creating an elaborate set for that room again, or something?

I doubt it was any sort of wink to anyone...it's not as though the writer knows from the outset how a set will be depicted (or do they?).


The room was a pretty sad downgrade from the Stellar Cartography set shown in GEN...I think even Voyager's Astrometrics was more impressive in its own way than what we were given.

 

[Christopher]

A lot can change from script to screen, and a lot that gets scripted has to be scaled back when the budget figures come in. It has always been thus. While scripts do get rewritten to accommodate such budget cuts, I doubt many screenwriters would feel it worth calling attention to such cuts, because they're such a routine part of the process that it wouldn't stand out for them.

 

[Amaris]

1. Different ship.

2. The Enterprise E is much smaller (internal volume) but has more advanced technology, set 8 years after Generations.

3. Data mentions an uplink to Starfleet Cartography, the position of an assault fleet with their ID's displayed, implying that room is a smaller secure command room with a coded data channel for just that use, like the NX-01 CIC.

4. The Galaxy class is much larger, meant be independent and spend up to 7 years away from major installations, the Enterprise due to scripting reasons stayed closer to home but still, she is a wandering science ship/platform and is making many of these maps herself, or adding to them, making the class the perfect choice for such a system.

5. You're over thinking a tiny scene in a bad movie, stop it.

 

[The Dominion]

The migraines are never worth it.

Ever do drugs? It's like that.

 

[MasuPu'a]

I think the Stellar Cartography set was the least of Nemesis' problems.

 

[AFEK ESLCAFE W]

I know it's trivial, but they would have been better off had they re-named that room in the script.

But, it's no biggie.

I only post in here to shoot the breeze, now and then...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Surely it would actually cost them less to film Pickles and Data on a green screen like in Generations, than to build the plain little room in Nemesis?

Besides, I thought "Stellar Cartography" was a department, not a single room. The one we saw in the TNG series was nothing like Generations, either.

 

[Kemaiku]

1. Different ship.

2. The Enterprise E is much smaller (internal volume) but has more advanced technology, set 8 years after Generations.

3. Data mentions an uplink to Starfleet Cartography, the position of an assault fleet with their ID's displayed, implying that room is a smaller secure command room with a coded data channel for just that use, like the NX-01 CIC.

4. The Galaxy class is much larger, meant be independent and spend up to 7 years away from major installations, the Enterprise due to scripting reasons stayed closer to home but still, she is a wandering science ship/platform and is making many of these maps herself, or adding to them, making the class the perfect choice for such a system.

5. You're over thinking a tiny scene in a bad movie, stop it.

Sorry about the last one, but it's true. I spent less than a minute thinking that post up, it took around twice as long to actually type it, that's how little effort it took to explain the scene, doesn't have to be some big fancy excuse.

 

[Timo]

So we have a set built to show which way is up for the next plot twist. What makes this unnamed and unmarked set a "Stellar Cartography" set?

The scene could have taken place on the bridge just as well. It's a bit strange it did not. Why are Picard and Data isolating themselves in this room when the former seems convinced a battle is imminent? Why do they talk strategy and tactics while Riker and Worf are not within earshot?

Apparently, the scene is set up this way so that Picard, and Picard alone, could make the extremely clever conclusion that Shinzon will attack under the cover of the exotic rift. But shouldn't that conclusion appear even more brilliant if Picard does it in the middle of half a dozen other characters who could have beat him to it - but didn't, because only Picard is teh AWESOM!?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DonIago]

^Ouch.

 

[Kemaiku]

So we have a set built to show which way is up for the next plot twist. What makes this unnamed and unmarked set a "Stellar Cartography" set?

The scene could have taken place on the bridge just as well. It's a bit strange it did not. Why are Picard and Data isolating themselves in this room when the former seems convinced a battle is imminent? Why do they talk strategy and tactics while Riker and Worf are not within earshot?

Apparently, the scene is set up this way so that Picard, and Picard alone, could make the extremely clever conclusion that Shinzon will attack under the cover of the exotic rift. But shouldn't that conclusion appear even more brilliant if Picard does it in the middle of half a dozen other characters who could have beat him to it - but didn't, because only Picard is teh AWESOM!?

Timo Saloniemi

Basically. The TNG films are litered with these Picard/Data moments in rooms isolated from the others were Picard can slowly work out whats happening just too late to really do anything about it and nearly get this ship and ass handed to him in pieces.

 

[F. King Daniel]

C'mon, it's Next Gen. On the bridge, Riker would have cocked his head and stroked his beard, possibly putting his leg up on one of the front consoles while he does it. Troi would have said "He's hiding something" and contributed zilch else.

Can you blame Picard and Data wanting some time away from all that?

 

[Kemaiku]

I know I'd have strangled Troi long before the end of the 7 years mission if I were him.

 

[T'Girl]

Patrick Stewart like the Generations stellar cartography set so much, that he insisted on having it included in the first X-Men movie as the Cerebro chamber.

When it came time to film Nemesis, there wasn't enough money to re-dress the set back to it's original appearance.

 

[CaptainMatt]

I never liked stellar cartography that much in the first place.