Near the end, if not Endgame, how'd you've setup Enterprise?

[Guy Gardener]

The Word for the day is Synergy.

It's ridiculous how easily Friendship One could have been tweeked to have have mentioned the decade preceding the birth of the federation, Archer or Enterprise in just casual conversation with te crew without having to resort to flashbacks in the slightest like in the One giant Step episode with Jin from Lost(Among MANY other roles from MANY other places.).

 

[Praetor]

That's not a horrible idea.

Mix one part "Friendship One," one part "One Small Step" and shake vigorously.

 

[Anwar]

But then, how would you explain the lack of mention of the ENT crew in prior series like TNG or TOS?

 

[JB2005]

^Throw in a line...something like "I was reading the Picard Memoirs, he has the bizarre idea Jonothan Archer never existed, and banned all mention of him on his ship. When one Lt Yar commented "Just like on the NX-01" she was mysteriously killed shortly after"

 

[Anwar]

^Throw in a line...something like "I was reading the Picard Memoirs, he has the bizarre idea Jonothan Archer never existed, and banned all mention of him on his ship. When one Lt Yar commented "Just like on the NX-01" she was mysteriously killed shortly after"

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, Picard got the dates right (Righter than McCoy, but then he's aDoctor not a historian.) for Klingon first contact in teh episode Fiorst Contact, although I wouldn't exactly call Broken Bow "disaterous"... Okay, maybe I would?

 

[Bertie]

As I wrote in the other thread, I would have had Voyager making a few more "jumps" in the 7th Season, which would have gotten them into the Beta Quadrant. There, I can think of at least two things that could have been done to set up Enterprise:

1. Have Voyager meet some decendants of human colonists that originally left Earth in the 2140s or 2150s and but were soon cut off from Earth (say, by the Earth-Romulan War) and then forced to live a nomadic lifestyle and pushed deep into the Beta Quadrant (say, by continuous Romulan expansion). Being nomads, these humans would be little advanced beyond Enterprise-era techonology and fashion and thus would be a vehicle for the producers to "show off" whatever bits of the Enterprise "look" they might have been prepared to show.

2. Have Voyager meet some Klingons who are also deep space explorers or some such. For whatever reason, the Voyager crew get into a conversation with some of the Klingons about early Human-Klingon contact, and it becomes apparent to the Voyager crew that something is a little wrong — while of course the events of "Broken Bow" couldn't be spelled out in any detail, a few name drops like "Archer" and "Enterprise NX-01" and the like ought to be possible. (Why Voyager would itself be aware that something is a little "off" would need to be solved with a bit of technobabble — maybe with all the time travel they've been doing over the last seven years they've gone a little "out of phase" or some such and are thus able to detect that someone's been mucking with time. Or whatever.)

 

[Finn]

But then, how would you explain the lack of mention of the ENT crew in prior series like TNG or TOS?

Why do we need to? There are thousands if not millions of historical figures and events that would have existed without a mention.

 

[Anwar]

One of ENT's major complaints was that a guy named Archer was never mentioned before. This is why I had reservations about a prequel in the first place, Trek wasn't made with a prequel in mind. As far as TOS was concerned there were no famous explorers before that show.

 

[Praetor]

As I wrote in the other thread, I would have had Voyager making a few more "jumps" in the 7th Season, which would have gotten them into the Beta Quadrant. There, I can think of at least two things that could have been done to set up Enterprise:

1. Have Voyager meet some decendants of human colonists that originally left Earth in the 2140s or 2150s and but were soon cut off from Earth (say, by the Earth-Romulan War) and then forced to live a nomadic lifestyle and pushed deep into the Beta Quadrant (say, by continuous Romulan expansion). Being nomads, these humans would be little advanced beyond Enterprise-era techonology and fashion and thus would be a vehicle for the producers to "show off" whatever bits of the Enterprise "look" they might have been prepared to show.

2. Have Voyager meet some Klingons who are also deep space explorers or some such. For whatever reason, the Voyager crew get into a conversation with some of the Klingons about early Human-Klingon contact, and it becomes apparent to the Voyager crew that something is a little wrong — while of course the events of "Broken Bow" couldn't be spelled out in any detail, a few name drops like "Archer" and "Enterprise NX-01" and the like ought to be possible. (Why Voyager would itself be aware that something is a little "off" would need to be solved with a bit of technobabble — maybe with all the time travel they've been doing over the last seven years they've gone a little "out of phase" or some such and are thus able to detect that someone's been mucking with time. Or whatever.)

So, improved versions of "The Thirty-Sevens" and "Prophecy"? I'm all for that.

One of ENT's major complaints was that a guy named Archer was never mentioned before. This is why I had reservations about a prequel in the first place, Trek wasn't made with a prequel in mind. As far as TOS was concerned there were no famous explorers before that show.

I don't see where you get this from, exactly. TOS never said "there have never been any famous explorers before now." There was a lot of "we're going further than we ever have before" but that still happened on TNG, DS9, and VGR, if somewhat more discreetly as time went on.

Comparing Archer and Kirk is to my mind like comparing the Roman guys who "discovered" the British isles to Marco Polo. The average person doesn't know the name of who from the Empire first set foot on the isles, but everyone knows who Marco Polo is because of some weird little story about China.

That said, I'd have still preferred to go forward rather than back.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Britanicus?

 

[Anwar]

It was two guys, Anglus and Saxonicus. They co-named the people after them .

And anywho, the thing about Archer is that if he really was as involved in all that important stuff we saw in ENT then he'd definately be remembered. And if he did nothing important enough to be remembered then there'd be no point in doing the show because audiences wouldn't want to watch a show about nobodies who never did anything worthwhile.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hells, even I know that the Saxons were the Germans who done invaded England and planted roots.

John Gill called him "The greatest explorer of the 22nd century"

John Gil of course infamously later became Space Hitler in TOS Patterns of Force.

Of course that "quote" was postdated from In a Mirror darkly when they found the "original" Defiant.

Picard visited Archer Four in Yesterdays Enterprise, which some believe is the spore world that drives people space bananas from ENT: Brave New World.

And

Spoiler: bollocks

why would they speak of him with historic reverence in 2267, if he was still alive in the original time line if he was alive in the movie time line?

 

[Anwar]

In the original timeline he died the day after the TOS Ent was commissioned and Robert April was the Captain. So he'd have been dead by TOS in the 2260s. If anything that might make him MORE mentioned during TOS, but still nothing.

I was trying to be funny with the two Roman guys thing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, I got it.

But even when we get it, we still bust chops.

It's the Voyager Forum way.

 

[Lynx]

One of ENT's major complaints was that a guy named Archer was never mentioned before. This is why I had reservations about a prequel in the first place, Trek wasn't made with a prequel in mind. As far as TOS was concerned there were no famous explorers before that show.

I agree. I was against making a prequel already when I read about the first plans of doing it because I was sure that they would manage to screw up established Trek history.

Which they also did.

I was also very dissapointed that they gave up the 24th century with all the interesting things which were going on there and all the loose ends which could have been followed up, just to go back to a time before Kirk and his crew.

It 's like if the music industry should abandon all modern technology and go back to 78rpm records recorded in mono.

 

[JB2005]

^those were the good old days :P

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's a joke from 3rd rock from the sun. "Why do humans percist in listening to music on CD's. haven't they discovered the superior audio experience of vinyl yet?"

Voyager didn't alter the shape of the AQ at all. It's producers had no connection to that place in space time since well... Bah humbug.

 

[Praetor]

That's a joke from 3rd rock from the sun. "Why do humans percist in listening to music on CD's. haven't they discovered the superior audio experience of vinyl yet?"

+1 my good man.

 

[Freman]

So they never mentioned Archer on TOS, TNG, DS9, or Voyager. So what? I can't remember the last time Christopher Columbus came up in every day conversation.